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    Re: Have Flowers, No fruit

    I was able to write down the ingridients list for the potential calcium boost fish food........




    ground corn, ground wheat, calcium carbonate, soybean meal, soy hulls, wheat middlings, di-calcium phosphate, fish meal, animal fat, coconut fat, natural and artificial flavors, L-lisine HCL, choline chloride, salt, DL-methionine, ascorbic acid, Vitamin A, biotin, hydroxocobalamin, cholecalciferol, menadione, niacin, riboflavin, thiamine HCL, calcium pantothenate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, sodium selenite, cobalt carbonate, magnesium oxide, ferric sulfate, copper sulfate, calcium iodate, manganous oxide, zinc sulfate, zinc oxide




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    that is the whole list... thanks for the help guys i will try to look up some of it also i just dont know how to tell where to even start or how to find out if it will hurt the fish

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    Re: Have Flowers, No fruit

    Quote Originally Posted by WAbedroomponics
    ground corn, ground wheat, calcium carbonate, soybean meal, soy hulls, wheat middlings, di-calcium phosphate, fish meal, animal fat, coconut fat, natural and artificial flavors, L-lisine HCL, choline chloride, salt, DL-methionine, ascorbic acid, Vitamin A, biotin, hydroxocobalamin, cholecalciferol, menadione, niacin, riboflavin, thiamine HCL, calcium pantothenate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, sodium selenite, cobalt carbonate, magnesium oxide, ferric sulfate, copper sulfate, calcium iodate, manganous oxide, zinc sulfate, zinc oxide
    I forgot if you mentioned you had Tilapia, but I am assuming you have Tilapia or some kind of omnivore.

    LEGEND
    Italics - OK
    Regular - Unchecked
    Bold - Harmful in some way
    Underlined - My best guess is safe
    ground corn
    ground wheat
    calcium carbonate
    soybean meal
    soy hulls
    wheat middlings
    di-calcium phosphate
    fish meal
    animal fat
    coconut fat
    natural and artificial flavors (obviously can't really tell this one

    L-lisine HCL (should be safe, but can't find reference, humans take it)
    choline chloride
    salt
    DL-methionine (in dog food and humans take it)
    ascorbic acid
    Vitamin A (not specifically stated, but in all likelyhood ok)
    biotin
    hydroxocobalamin (how many forms of B12 are there!!!)
    cholecalciferol (vit D3)
    menadione (vit K should be fine)
    niacin
    riboflavin
    thiamine HCL
    calcium pantothenate
    pyridoxine hydrochloride
    folic acid
    sodium selenite (some of this stuff must be good for geckos I guess, low toxicity in humans, gonna OK it)
    cobalt carbonate (high toxicity in humans, can't reference MSDS: http://msds.chem.ox.ac.uk/CO/cobalt_II_ ... drate.html)
    magnesium oxide
    ferric sulfate (high toxicity in humans, can't find this anywhere, maybe harmful http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9924046)
    copper sulfate
    calcium iodate
    manganous oxide
    zinc sulfate
    zinc oxide

    To make this fast, I am cross referencing the following:

    Purina Mills Aquamax Grower 600

    Also, this page full of possible examples

    The ones in BOLD I only marked as harmful because it is harmful to humans in any large quantity. I realize we are evaluating the fish and and the nutrient in trace quantity. The substances could metabolize into something entirely different for all I know or even be required by human nutrition in trace quantities. I urge you to further research those substances. As we don't eat geckos, it's hard to say if the food is safe for raising livestock for human consumption or not.

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    Re: Have Flowers, No fruit

    Did you end up using it?

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    Re: Have Flowers, No fruit

    I have used it with fish not being raised as food and growth, color and fruit production greatly increased

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    Oh that's great! I would check ferric sulfate and the other one in bold. I found ferric sulfate in my other fish food I bought from walmart. It's hard to say without intimate knowledge of these chemicals and the metabolic pathways they take... I would even call the manufacturer to check because it might be 100% safe.

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    Re: Have Flowers, No fruit

    Is the fish food you bought at WalMart the fish food you feed to your tilapia?

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    Re: Have Flowers, No fruit

    Quote Originally Posted by WAbedroomponics
    Is the fish food you bought at WalMart the fish food you feed to your tilapia?
    AT THE MOMENT YES. This food comes in a 1 ounce container in flakes and is high protein. I am using it to raise tilapia fry to become breeding stock; so, I won't eat this fish... therefore, I didn't concern myself as to the safety of the food. However, this food does not state anything like "not for human consumption" so it makes me believe it might just be safe, ingredients and all! I think you see my logic, but I prefer you did the extra mile on the research. Call the company maybe or if you have other resources to tap, check there.

    I might be making you concerned over nothing, but we are using pet gecko food on fish for consumption (or we will be anyway); so, we really need to do our due diligence. I know around these parts, the rednecks will feed ANYTHING to their fish and then eat the fish. The hillbillies haven't died yet, but that's no guarantee!

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    But might make you die early.... Just cause you don't drop dead doesn't mean that it won't kill you in the long run... The gecko food also doesn't say not for human consumption or anything like that there isn't even a warning of any kind on the bottle which is rare now days.... But I will research this more but so far my guppies seem healthier grow faster and the plants are much better so I hope my research shows that it will be ok

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    Re: Have Flowers, No fruit

    Please let me know what you find. I have never thought about it before, but perhaps there are some pet fish foods that ARE NOT safe to use on fish that are meant to be eaten... or perhaps they're all safe because of the restrictions and regulations put on the industry OR perhaps it's safe because most living organisms share very similar toxicities and therefore would make it safe by default. I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT.

    That's why I went with a comparison. I know the aquamax is meant to be fed to fish for human consumption. Maybe more comparison will help.

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    Re: Have Flowers, No fruit

    Do average eggshells work? Like the eggshells of an egg when you cook one up?

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