Jack: I am trying to talk the Merced County officials of the Fish and Game into working with us. Since this is totaly closed loop, I am hoping they would see the light, otherwise I will break the law and go to jail for trying to feed those who need it...what can I say gov by the people for the people, right?

Emm, good idea, but I am trying to see if economy of scales works for us. We will be paying out of our pockets for this and it is not tax deductable either. so trying to make sure I can still afford it next year. Your idea is a good one though, may try the small version first. Reason for my attempts to get going quick is the great need I see around me.

Looked at a lot of the pictures and have already a manual for a system. It is from NCSU web site. trying to trouble shoot potential problems right now.