I've been making wine for about 5 years now, bottled close to 1000 bottles. Only had two batches (around 58 bottles) turn out bad. I've done a couple beer kits. First one was a "full juice" kit and tasted amazing! This last one was a $15 grocery store kit. It tastes like the 'beer' they sell at the local NHL rink, but packs a real kick!