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    Re: Representative chemical species in soil solutions

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    That chart was originally from hydroponics field which use as nutrients inorganic salts, while the majority of our nutes are organic and readily available to the plants. Nutrient defieciencies we experience are because the nutrients aren't present or if present precipitate out of solution quickly. IMHO
    No, in nature certain nutrients are almost always inorganic when available to the plant and must be inorganic to be available to the plant. Oh these classes are eye opening!

    For example potassium.

    TV, the media, marketing and advertising campaigns from food companies, have sold us on these "organic" concepts that are incorrect except from a fundamentally philosophical perspective that promotes sustainability. I'm not sure why I didn't realize that before... I kinda just bought into it as well, but that's what life is for live and learn!

    Hmmmm.....I wonder where all that K in Maxicrop comes from? 1-0-4

    I did say IMHO.

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    Re: Representative chemical species in soil solutions

    no problem I'm just sharing buddy! This is all new to me and it's a TON of information. My head is SPINNING!!!!!

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    Re: Representative chemical species in soil solutions

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    that chart is not ALWAYS right
    It's a shame, that there is no one that can make a graph that is right......
    That was a challenge UF......

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    Well, I guess technically it could be right if.......
    That's a response I'd expect from the 'rulership' in DC....

    I see a class project in the making UF...... :P
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    Re: Representative chemical species in soil solutions

    Quote Originally Posted by cedarswamp
    Hmmmm.....I wonder where all that K in Maxicrop comes from? 1-0-4
    From the salt on the seaweed...?...... :P
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    Re: Representative chemical species in soil solutions

    the problem in "research" the research is always done from the researcher's perspective, application, or motivational force. oh i forgot the part about needing to get a degree.

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    Re: Representative chemical species in soil solutions

    Great points rfiller....
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    Re: Representative chemical species in soil solutions

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    the problem in "research" the research is always done from the researcher's perspective, application, or motivational force. oh i forgot the part about needing to get a degree.
    Well, that's why at the County Extension we only use research to show residents from sources that are "unbias" in other words public Universities, certain non-profit organizations, etc.

    You definitely don't NEED a degree to do research. Look through the posted journals at "Aquaponics Journal" you'll see some of the guys that do and publish research don't have a relevant degree!!! What a perfect example...

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    Re: Representative chemical species in soil solutions

    Rooftop Aquaponics in Jerusalem
    Researchers Tim Evans (M.A. Development Studies), Kyle Petrie (B.A. Agricultural Science) and Chris Somerville (B.A. Natural sciences; M.A Development Studies)...
    Okay, so ONE guy has a agricultural degree, but not only is it undergrad (in other words limited in scope and depth), but he formally knows nothing about aquaculture and soil and water science!!! The other 2 guys know nothing as far as the science of aquaponics! So you see, research is for everyone!

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    Re: Representative chemical species in soil solutions

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    Hmmmm.....I wonder where all that K in Maxicrop comes from? 1-0-4
    From the salt on the seaweed...?...... :P

    Seasalt is 30% sodium and only 1% potasium...wasn't there a thread on salt water aquaponics?

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    Re: Representative chemical species in soil solutions

    I found this about the powdered form of Maxi-crop. Looks like it has lots of potassium.....

    Here's an analysis at .5, 1, 2.5 & 5 tsp, respectively, per gallon of water:



    pH
    7.63
    7.33
    7.21
    6.89
    Conductivity (mS)
    0.56
    0.75
    1.6
    2.1
    Alkalinity (ppm)
    123
    150
    265
    350
    Nitrate-Nitrogen (ppm)
    32
    69
    176
    370
    Phosphorus (ppm)
    0
    0
    1
    1
    Potassium (ppm)
    113
    150
    500
    714
    Calcium (ppm)
    28
    25
    33
    35
    Magnesium (ppm)
    12
    9
    17
    20
    Zinc (ppm)
    0.2
    0
    0.2
    0.3
    Copper (ppm)
    0
    0
    0
    0
    Iron (ppm)
    0
    0
    0.1
    0.7
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