sounds good jackalope, i haven't started yet but it's good to know what i'm in for. look at it this way, you took one for the team i don't think i'll be starting with the expensive fish after watching your post. unless i can get that college professer over here who has an endless supply of fish and much much needed experience . we will see. i got to tell you ,thanks for hanging in there and conveying to us what was going on,so that we can learn. i just lost three goat kids to mastitis. 5 months of feeding pampering and waiting and two days alive and now gone. life on the farm.