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    Okay. Lot's of trial and error all day. Learned a lot on how things work, but not much on why they don't. Phone conversation with Apollo has me trying something tomorrow. I will update it once I find out results.

    The idea of using the letter N design instead of M only partially resolved some issues. And created others.

    In the morning I will remove the 2" pipe, replace with gutter and try apollo's idea of turning last 90 elbow parallel to the ground.

    Barrels are dirty due to taking two years to build this nightmare of a project. Cleaning as I go.
    At first I left this blank...but now I believe: "It's better to keep your mouth closed, and have the world think your a fool, than open it and confirm it."

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    Okay. I removed the 2" return pipe to sump, and replaced with a graded 6" plastic gutter. I then reinstalled the M fittings in 4 of the barrels. And turned the 90 degree elbows from everything from straight down all the way to straight up, and everything in between. The result, much better gas exchange on the gutter, but the siphons still do NOT fire. I have attached pics below to see exactly what is what.
    What happens:
    The siphon starts as the barrels reach their "full" point, the siphon starts, but doesn't disengage. Current theory is that I am adding too much water flow into the barrel. With no media, it sounds like I am supposed to be taking 16 minutes to fill each one. So now I am going back out to isolate ONE barrel, empty it as far as it will go and watch the clock to monitor the fill rate. Then turn 90 elbow parallel to the gutter and see what happens.

    ***update***
    I adjusted the intake flow from 10 minutes all the way out to 35 to fill. No change. Waste of time.

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    Okay, so pics are sideways. Humor me, and turn your head. You can see different 90's at different angles. In the middle barrel, you will see that the discharge flow matches the intake flow. This drains the barrel but never releases to allow a complete refill.

    If anyone has input, please chime in.
    I am running out of days to resolve this. Tomorrow is the last full day I have to get this right. Otherwise it goes to sitting until I have time again.
    At first I left this blank...but now I believe: "It's better to keep your mouth closed, and have the world think your a fool, than open it and confirm it."

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    OK. 2 more pics. In these pics I rebuilt the M piping w/ 1/2 inch connecting to 3/4 for the rest of the discharge pipe.
    .....NO.....
    This didn't work either. Note the flow out matches the flow in. Increasing the flow, is easily done by opening and closing valves...the result though is that the discharge line's flow increases are decreases to match the intake flow. Same result regardless of the amount of water coming in. Just changes how fast it happens.

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    Next up for tomorrow morning.....wrip out the M in 1/2 inch, and convert to N and reconnect. Cycle it that way on just one barrel.

    To say I am frustrated is an understatement.

    I am considering tearing down and selling this stuff off. I have been fighting with this every day for a week, all day...and am no closer to resolving. I am putting a cut off date on the calendar. If I do not have resolved by that date, it's all going to be sold or taken to the landfill. If anyone is interested, let me know. Ideally, this stupid thing will work. But I have other responsibilities that are being neglected so that this "simple" design could be installed.
    At first I left this blank...but now I believe: "It's better to keep your mouth closed, and have the world think your a fool, than open it and confirm it."

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