By the way i look at this forum as a learning tool, not a place for controversity or desention; but as a place were folks can be more productive and compare methods on an apple to apple basis. It does no one any good to read about how great a gardners results are, but fails to include the fact he added five pounds of fertilizers and three pounds of worms and the reader gets discouraged becausr his didn't do so well. UG will let me know if this makes sense!