MythBusters and the Prez

[badflash]

Last night's episode was the 3rd time Mythbusters busted the Archemedes Solar Death ray. The Prez send Adam and Jamie out to try again, this time with more man power. Once again it failed. Seems like his MO. Try something that has failed in the past, try it again with more manpower & money, when that fails, use more people & spend more money.

Think Stimulus Package 1,2 and 3 and extending the unemployment benefits.

Sweeden had an interesting experiment. At first they had unemployent for 5 years. They found that when it ran out, people went back to work in a few weeks, so they cut it back to 4 and got the same results, then 3, then 2. Each time people went back to work once they stopped getting free money. We do just the opposite. Start with a year, then 2, then 3, now 5?

[rfeiller]

Unfortunately there are those that have lost everything and are having no success because, of there age or skillset. Then there is everyone else, the give me's. Like a lot of others I am working for a third of what I use to make. Then it is interesting how little we do about what has happened to the workers in this country over the last 20 yrs and how we repeatedly reward the tyrants that run this country.

[JCO]

Ya'll know better....don't get me started. I've already lost one good posting member (a dyed in the wool Liberal through and through) because of my political views.

I remember when America was Americans for Americans not illegal aliens rights, Muslim sensitivity, gay rights, christian haters, gun rights abolitionist, other people telling you how to raise your children and let's don't forget the humongous welfare bunch, regardless of skin color; nothing but an entire culture of lazy good for nothing dead beats living off the sweat and hard work of the middle class.

There is no doubt in my mind that President Muslim Obama and every single liberal in America are now and in the future with every chance they get, trying to bring about the downfall of the American way of life. Most of it is already been obliterated. I guarantee you I have a cure for them but the admin won't let me publish such ideas and language here :shock: :o :lol: :lol: :mrgreen:

[badflash]

Just trying to keep you out of the Poky JCO :oops:

My opinion is that when unemployment runs out you go on welfare. If you are disabled you stay there. If not you go to work, mooch off your family, or get taken care of by the church. Your family doesn't want you, and you don't go to church? Oh well... :twisted: Make Darwin proud.

The world is safer without a safety net. People are more careful, and more polite when they know there are consequences for their actions.

[rfeiller]

you have to remember that this country is run by the owners of the federal reserve. kennedy challenged them and was assinated. obama wanted to audit them and they threatened the country. the president is a figurehead for the powers to be. he is allowed some reign but never control. the agenda has been in place for a hundred years and it is right on track. the rich few and the worker droids.

if you really want to be loved join the sierra club and the green party with me. lol

[jackalope]

I'm staying out of this one lest I be saying too much ..... let me just say that I agree with probably 50% to 75% of what has been posted so far ;)

[rfeiller]

i've finished my rant. hope no one was offended; i am not sensitive to opposing opinions, it's healthy. i have a lot more fun working in my greenhouse. things are growing, thanks to what i have read on this forum and that's about as good as it gets. 8-)

[rfeiller]

oh i forgot, i agree with you badflash

have a good evening

rich

[badflash]

They don't call this the SUMP for nothin'.

Most think the Fed is a branch of the Federal Government. It is not. It is a private corporation that has stock. The President appoints the chairmen, and that is about as close to the government as it gets. They print their own salary, for god's sake!

It is an amazing scam.

I have a modest proposal. Limit government spending to 25% of the GDP unless there is a 2/3 majority of the people to go over over that. It would have to be voted on every year and the limit could not be changed. Eliminate all taxes and let the government (not the Fed) print the 25% needed to run the government.

Stupid you say? What we do now is we tax the crap out of people, then borrow more, and NEVER pay it back. This gives us the IRS, tax attorneys, accountants up the yin yang, and all sorts of other unhealthy, unproductive things. The banks make money off of this like crazy. No wonder Alexander Hamilton was shot.

Instead, just have planned inflation and fire all those folks. I'm sure they could find jobs someplace where character isn't an important trait.

Wouldn't it be great to keep 100% of your paycheck and not do any paperwork? Pricesless.

[rfeiller]

I am amazed at how few Americans have a clue how this country functions. They never get their heads out of their....I better shut up take a couple of tums for indigestion and say good night my forum friends

[urbanfarmer]

Hm, very interesting ideas here. :shock:

[davidstcldfl]

I'm not feeling well, haven't had my coffee yet and just got up.....so, it's a perfect time to stir the 'sump'.

If you worship at the alter of PC...don't read the following.....



1st....since you have to be at least 35 to run for the president, make a law saying you have to be that old to vote.

2nd....Federal workers now make twice as much as a 'real' job....
All federal employees, including elected officials... (EXCEPT THE MILITARY) immediately lose 15% of their pay, 10% more the following year, for the next 3 years. This includes any retired ones too. All benefits immediately end....any benefits given in the future, will be voted on in a national election (SEE # 1)

The military would immediately receive a 15% pay increase and 10% more for the next 3 years.


3rd.....No federal employees are to join/form a union.

Teachers in any school receiving federal, state or local taxes, are forbidden from belonging to a union.



random, drifting thoughts after a big swig of Nyquil....


-Not every kid will make the little league team....deal with it

-kids will be 'left behind' in school...the parents will pay for the extra year

-Manufactures DONT have to put a tag on a hair dryer, saying not to use it while in the shower.

-If you run from the cops, for any reason....you will be shot and/or tazzed....and it doesn't mater if you are on top of a wall, fall off and get hurt. Your parents didn't teach you what 'stop' meant...sue them .

- if your in a car and run from the police....when your caught/crash you will be beat to a bloody pulp, right in front of the cameras in the helicopter

- (If your not a felon) everyone has to own at least one gun.....and yearly demonstrate that you can use it ...SAFELY.

[keith_r]

35 to vote? what about military or would there be excpetions for people that agree with your pov?

i think it should be a law that EVERYONE has to vote (after the age of 18)..
lets say half the people vote, and of that half, just over half of them vote "conservative".. so 28% of the people should be telling everyone else what to do?

people really need to get facts.. the whole wealth re-distribution thing is so taken out of context.. called marxist, socialist or what have you.. people need to wake up and realize the wealth has already been distributed to the top 1% because if anyone paid attention, they would see that by keeping there mouths shut or just going along with the talking points.. the real control of the US is by corporations, you know, the ones that the supreme court said were considered "citizens" - i would think with that classification, they would be held accountable, but again, look who writes the rules..

the whole conservatives bashing liberals, and liberals bashing conservatives is just used to manipulate people..

[rfeiller]

man i like you guys! there must be a connection between aquaponics and a clear thinking mind. :D

[rfeiller]

As always there is true and false statements on both. The pendulum swings far to the left and to the right somewhere in the middle is the best we can do. As far as servicemen go if it weren't for the greed the servicemen probably would not be in harms way. As a Vietnam vet and with several nephews in harms way I have nothing but disdain for wall street and the 300stock holders of the federal reserve. They should have earned the right to vote.

[davidstcldfl]

Keith, There must of been a lot of thought and reasoning, why the president has to be at least 35. Based on that same reasoning...I feel one should be of that age to vote.

I do agree with you on a couple points........ everyone should have to vote.

Big corps do control the money, and with money ,there is power.

[badflash]

I think if you join, or are drafted into the military, you've earned the right to vote.

Being compelled to vote is a bad idea. Why would you want someone who doesn't care deciding how the rest of us that do care live?

Those that care enough to be involved should be the ones deciding. I feel that the govenment should do only what the constitution allows it to do, so it shouldn't being telling us what to do. We should be telling it what to do.

The top 10% of the earners pay over 70% of the taxes. Even if we had a flat tax, the more you make, the more you'd pay. Just because you are successful you should be robbed by those that don't want to work? BTW, if you make 110K a year, you are in the top 10%. Here in NY I pay 60% of my income to taxes. How much more would it take to make you feel that I was paying my fair share?

Anything the government spend it takes from someone. Once the government takes more than 50% I call it socialism. The more the government takes, the less I have to spend and the less likely I would be to be able to afford to hire someone. Ever get a job from a poor guy?


35 to vote? what about military or would there be excpetions for people that agree with your pov?

i think it should be a law that EVERYONE has to vote (after the age of 18)..
lets say half the people vote, and of that half, just over half of them vote "conservative".. so 28% of the people should be telling everyone else what to do?

people really need to get facts.. the whole wealth re-distribution thing is so taken out of context.. called marxist, socialist or what have you.. people need to wake up and realize the wealth has already been distributed to the top 1% because if anyone paid attention, they would see that by keeping there mouths shut or just going along with the talking points.. the real control of the US is by corporations, you know, the ones that the supreme court said were considered "citizens" - i would think with that classification, they would be held accountable, but again, look who writes the rules..

the whole conservatives bashing liberals, and liberals bashing conservatives is just used to manipulate people..

[Hotrodmike]

Wow I can post ,every once in a while I can !
Some of what I read is just insane some is pretty right on . Now speaking on the FED's , I read an interesting thing today . Seems Ron Paul has been appointed Chairman of the Subcommitie on the Federal Reserve . This could get interesting since Ron has wanted to shut them down for years .
I really think the biggest problem in this country is the vast majority of the people are fat,lazy and spoiled
Mike

[rfeiller]

i really think things have gone past the point of being fixable. 5 federal judges are in the process of making recomdations to amend the constitution. people have been bs'd into being driven by terrorist fear. the us gov has been the biggest marketing program osama bin laden could possibly have hired. still the biggest financial backer is saudia arabia.

one after another of our rights have been taken away by this fabricated crap generated by both politacal parties. there is a hell of a lot of money to be made as long as the american people can be coerced into fighting for the powers to be. it certainly isn't for the freedom of any country we have invaded in the last 50 yrs. no oil no war. plain and simple. oh, and the holy second world war; pearl harbor was attacked by japan because the usa had threatened to take away it's oil for invading china. of course that didn't stop the same families that control this country today from suppling japan with metals needed for them to build weapons to fight us for most of the war.

then there is the pacification of the masses with socialist programs so that it destroys any reason to be motivated to produce anything, the government needs the votes of the welfare recipients, illigals. not to mention political correctness.

as far as ron paul and the fed res, right i can see him doing a whole bunch, once he runs out of hot air and they tell him to shut up.

[JCO]

I see what ya'll are up to. Ya'll know better....don't get me started! I don't have the time to tell you everything....otherwise I would be sitting here banging these keys for days on end. :|

I have a website :geek: http://webnewsfeed.com which was a political blog I started in 2009. I hammered Obama and his cronies like an anvil continuously. I had a mailing list of over 200 people that I emailed every article to and they loved them. One morning I got up and my complete database had been erased without a trace from my leased server with no tracks as to how.

You can go there now and the blog is still up and running (as if it never had an entry of any kind) and the main page of the site still has all the lead in blurbs to the articles I wrote, but that's all that exists. Take a look....there's no doubt you would at least get a laugh here and there out of the lead-ins and no, I don't have copies of the stories I wrote because the hard drive on the computer I used to compose them on came down with a mysterious virus that Norton didn't detect and it crashed cold turkey. I took it to my favorite computer geek and he said it was toast and looked as if it had never even been formatted although he couldn't get it to format when he tried.

Now who do you know that has the power to go in and do as they please with your info and infect your personal computer with a hard drive killing virus? Someone did it to the computers in the NUKE facility in IRAN...right? Could have been a liberal hacker, but I have had sites, this one in particular and more than once as Badflash can attest, hacked before, but hackers like to brag so they leave something behind to show off their knowledge and skills. Not the case this time....my server provider could not find a trace of where anyone had logged into my serve but me. Go figure. I know I didn't erase months of my own work just for the hell of it.

To answer the question that's everyone's mind, NO.!...they didn't scare me into being quiet. I am a Viet Nam Vet and former Navy SEAL with service ribbons for the Cuban Blockade and Viet Nam with a few other goodies thrown in that I won't talk about. So what are they going to do? KILL ME? It could be done as they have the resources, but I have an insurance policy locked away that would make the Wiki leaks fiasco look like a kindergarten class project and they know it so I don't think they really want to go there but you never know.

Am I afraid...not really. I am more concerned about driving around town because the traffic on the streets here in Jacksonville does scare me not to mention the drive byes and stray bullets.

A little off subject here:

The other day a lady I know (a former tax client of mine) was killed while driving down Blanding Blvd. (a 6 lane street) by a stray bullet from a shoot out over a drug deal that went bad. The drug deal shootout was on a side street over a block away from where she was driving by the end of the street where it interconnected with Blanding and just happened to have taken place as she drove by. She was married and had 3 children, a registered nurse and a very nice lady.

Back on track:

I just really have not had the time to devote to it. At 67 yrs of age, I'm back in college getting a teaching degree and between classes and homework I'm socked in but like General MacArthur, "I shall return" with a force to be reckoned with. I added that last part myself. :lol: :lol:

Just as an after thought....anyone of you (even if you are a liberal....just like FOX NEWS...we are fair and balanced :? )who has the gumption to put your thoughts into print and would be interested in being a contributing author on my site, I have four spots available and you can put us as many articles as you want and I promise I will not edit your articles unless they contain profanity. Say what you please about the political scene and I will put it up for the world to see and email it to my mailing list, but it must be relevant to the current political scene in American and coherent enough to convey a thought clear enough to be understood. I will also allow a graphic to be included as is presently done on the home page as a lead in. What say...? Any takers..? Dinner's on the table....BACKBONE ANYONE...? :lol: :lol: 8-) :mrgreen:

[rfeiller]

JCO,
a lot of people jumped onto yahoo, greatest free thing since water, turned out after about ten years it came out that yahoo had been selling personal info to the gov. a young man that worked with me had worked for yahoo for 10yrs collecting info. he quit; got a civil engr degree thats how i came to work with him.
norton is a very invasive program, it selectively or non selectively misses a bunch of spyware, trojans and malware. try to remove it completely from your hard drive, once installed, you can't. great back door for any paying member for them.
norton can do a complete or selective wipeout of your drive, but someone has to tell it to do that. always a second party.
unfortunately, some folks look at politics as another football team, right or wrong by God they will die for it; instead of looking behind the baby kissing and handshaking.

keep up the good work.

[urbanfarmer]

They don't call it the sump for nothing... :lol:

[keith_r]

...
Just as an after thought....anyone of you (even if you are a liberal....just like FOX NEWS...we are fair and balanced :? )who has the gumption to put your thoughts into print and would be interested in being a contributing author on my site, I have four spots available and you can put us as many articles as you want and I promise I will not edit your articles unless they contain profanity. Say what you please about the political scene and I will put it up for the world to see and email it to my mailing list, but it must be relevant to the current political scene in American and coherent enough to convey a thought clear enough to be understood. I will also allow a graphic to be included as is presently done on the home page as a lead in. What say...? Any takers..? Dinner's on the table....BACKBONE ANYONE...? :lol: :lol: 8-) :mrgreen:

you really think fox news is "fair and balanced"... come on.. seriously?
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201012090003

[rfeiller]

Then there is CNN fair and balanced.:-)

[badflash]

Fair and Balanced is where both points of views are allowed. Show me a network other than Fox that provides time for the opposition.

[JCO]

You beat me to it Badflash so I will stay on the side line except to say....Keith_r if you have an opinion and it is strong enough to shout about....you are welcome to a spot on my news blog http://webnewsfeed.com. Everyone is welcome to their own opinion there as well as here. How bout it...got something for me? Dinner's on the table....how much BACKBONE DO YOU WANT? :mrgreen:

[rfeiller]

I really struggle with some of the viewpoints presented by either side. Just try to preserve my country for my grandkids to grow up in with a chance to be part of a free middle America, as I know it.

[JCO]

rfeiller, you and I are right there together. I really don't like DEMs or GOP. Some way, some how we, as Americans, have to get the government back on track where it is dedicated to the preservation of America as prescribed by the Constitution and The Bill of Rights and stop our government from stealing from us to support their agendas and other countries. :mrgreen:

[keith_r]

i stay out of political discussions for the most part.. when someone points to any news story as an "authoritive" answer to a question, i generally try to find out more about an issue before deciding where i stand.. while i guess i would be considered a dreaded "liberal", i really just want to be left alone and do my own thing, but just a little about me..
i served in the navy from 82-86 - i commend your service as a SEAL, i took the "pre-physical" test in boot camp 4 times, and decided i didn't want to go in that direction..
my wife is disabled, she had 2 back surgeries in 2000, the first "failed", 2 1.5" long screws holding a plate between vertabrae did not "fuse", we didn't know that until probably 2007..
it took 30 months for her to get disability.. the hearing took 13 minutes, our lawyer had never seen a hearing so short, but it was obvious to the judge, lawyer and career specialist that my wife couldn't work.. she can walk, but is in pain 24x7, using the duralgesic patch (100x more powerful than morphine) + an opiate for breakthrough pain.. so i've dealt with the government and i can say i'm not happy with the way things are run.. but my life revolves around trying to keep my job, and take care of my wife.. i have opinions but it's not worth getting worked up over, if i feel strongly about something, i'll try to point out a different viewpoint or provide valid information, but in the end, i've learned that everyone is going to believe what/who they want.. i've got conservative friends, and liberal friends.. i don't have room for idiots..(and i'm not saying anyone herre is an idiot, otherwise why would i "hang out" here,, ya know?)
debates aint what they used to be

[JCO]

Keith_r,

As far as I am concerned, you have as much "BACKBONE" as any SEAL I ever served with (except for my best friend J.B. who didn't make it back (he was the best spotter I ever had) or maybe for me :o :lol: :lol: ) (as badflash will tell you, like you, I have no patience with idiots either) and you definitely have a full plate with your wife's problems, however you are still welcome to state your views here or on http://webnewsfeed.com and I will defend your right to your opinion against all comers.

I would really love to have you on the news blog though...I need the input to help me fill the 4 spots.

Did any of the rest of you actually go to the site to see what it looked like and the lead-ins I had written? I was rather proud of the articles I wrote even though I apparently stepped on someone's toes and ruffled some feathers. But you know what the say "F***** if they can't take a joke! Sorry about the spelling....the * got hung... :lol:

Anyway, I am still waiting for some warm bodies to step up and help me out with the blog articles. Just like Billy The Kid said "I'll make you famous"! :lol: :lol: How bout it...any takers anywhere in the world?

[davidstcldfl]

I went and looked around....at least the link to DIY AP is still working.... :roll:

[keith_r]

i checked it out.. it's interesting to say the least..

if i ever feel like putting my opinion on something out there, that's the first place i'll do it..


oh, and i'm not worried about having my feathers ruffled..

peace out, yo

[JCO]

You 'da man..! :mrgreen:

[rfeiller]

Jco, I went to your sight. Looks likes lot of hard work vanished. What a shame.

[JCO]

You have no idea how many hours of research, careful thought and keyboard banging it took to produce the articles I wrote. Some of them were pretty long. I did have a co-conspirator (a full blood Cherokee....a distance relative of my Grandmother) helping out with a few articles but when the hammer came down on the site, he bailed and I can't blame him. The Cherokee Nation has suffered enough at the hands of the so called American Government. You interested? As I told Keith_r...I could use the help. :mrgreen:

[gosmith]

Wow, where do I start. Been away for a week or so and come back to read this thread.

Grrrr. . . Why do conservatives always have to be so vitriolic? I get so tired of liberals being accused of not loving their country, or being somehow less patriotic than conservatives. People, America's enemies are not **OTHER** Americans. I come here to relax and to learn, and then have to put up with this kind of garbage. What does any of this have to do with the President appearing on Mythbusters? I thought about not posting here at all, but some of this is just too much to let pass. Unfortunately, I only have about enough energy to address the most ridiculous post on this thread.


Ya'll know better....don't get me started. I've already lost one good posting member (a dyed in the wool Liberal through and through) because of my political views.

I remember when America was Americans for Americans not illegal aliens rights, Muslim sensitivity, gay rights, christian haters, gun rights abolitionist, other people telling you how to raise your children and let's don't forget the humongous welfare bunch, regardless of skin color; nothing but an entire culture of lazy good for nothing dead beats living off the sweat and hard work of the middle class.

There is no doubt in my mind that President Muslim Obama and every single liberal in America are now and in the future with every chance they get, trying to bring about the downfall of the American way of life. Most of it is already been obliterated. I guarantee you I have a cure for them but the admin won't let me publish such ideas and language here :shock: :o :lol: :lol: :mrgreen:

_________________
JCO


JCO- Your rhetoric turns my stomach. "Americans for Americans." HIP HIP HOORAY. Get out yer flags, boys, and strike up the band!

Well guess what? I'm an American too. And I'm a liberal. Haven't missed voting in an election since 1972. Oh, and I'm an atheist too, not to mention an environmentalist. Wish I could say I was gay too, but unfortunately, that's not my gig.

SOOO sorry for ruining "YOUR" country for you. Last I heard, America was a place for ALL people, not just the ones that meet with YOUR approval. Diversity, not intolerance, is what makes this country the best place on Earth. I'd wager that just as many Democrats have shed blood for this country over the years as Republicans.

Let's take your hate list one by one:

"Illegal Aliens"- Forget the fence. My cure for illegal aliens is to arrest and severely fine any American employers who hire them. Make examples of them. Confiscate their summer homes and yachts. Take away jobs from illegals and they'll all leave. Punish the greedy scum-bags willing to make a higher profit by paying substandard wages. Cure the disease and the symptoms will go away.

"Muslim Sensitivity"- I may be an atheist, but I still defend the right of anyone to believe as they wish, including you. Shouldn't we all be sensitive about the beliefs of others? Isn't that what a decent American should do?

"Gay Rights"- Gays are human too. Live and let live. Nobody deserves the type of treatment that most gays have had to endure in this country, especially the kids. You think it's a choice? Tell that to the ones who commit suicide once they realize their sexual preference. Any two people who can find love and comfort with each other should have the right to marry if they want. Won't have any effect on the rest of us, so where's the problem?

"Christian Haters"- No worse than Muslim haters, IMO. Fact is, religious people of all faiths do hateful things in the name of 'their' god. Hate doesn't care about faith. You obviously hate a lot of things. Did you learn that from the Bible, or is it just your nature? I don't care much for christians who believe I'm evil because I'm an atheist. It seems to me that I have much higher moral principles than many a 'good' christian. As a liberal, I try to stand up for the poor and the oppressed, just like Jesus supposedly did. I do volunteer charity work and have been known to take homeless people to lunch. I donate money to the Clinton Foundation to help with poverty around the world, but won't give money to religious charities since they have strings attached to their aid.

"Gun Rights"- Nothing wrong with guns, just some of the people who own them. I grew up in the woods. I don't hunt any more, but if I did, I'd hate to have to kill an elk with my bare hands or even a spear. I do resent feeling that I need to carry a firearm to protect myself from people who claim to have a "cure" for my way of thinking. The majority of Dems do support the right to own guns, as do I. It's the amount of regulation needed that is up for debate. It's not anti-American to feel that certain kinds of weapons do not need to be made available to the general public. RPGs come to mind, for instance, or maybe full-auto assault weapons. I like the idea of background checks too. Might have kept the weapon out of the hand of the convicted felon that tried to shoot the school board members this week. Maybe stopped the mentally disturbed whacko that killed a cop and several of my neighbors about a year ago too, despite warnings from his mother. Seems like guns are more often used to kill family members and other innocent people rather than crooks, but hey, small sacrifice to pay for our constitutional right to bear arms. Wish there was a way to make to make a firearm that only hurt those who deserve it.

"Abolitionists"?- Really? You're opposed to people who are against slavery? I hate to tell you, but the Civil War is over. The North won.

"Other people telling you how to raise your children"- Damn right! It shouldn't be necessary, but some people evidently need to be reminded that it's not nice to assault their own children by whipping them, sexually abusing them, neglecting to feed them, etc. Not to mention making sure they get medical attention, get an education, aren't forced to work in sweatshops, and so on. You have a problem with that? It's wrong to abuse animals too, IMO.

"The humungous welfare bunch"- You must be talking about all those big-shot bankers who got bailed out with money taken right out of my pocket. I hear they're about to pay out a record $144 billion in bonuses this year. All we got at the construction company where I work was a 10 percent pay cut for those who didn't get laid off. Oh, we lost our health insurance too. Guess if I get too sick, I'll have to hang out at the emergency room with all the other deadbeats and illegals. Hope you don't mind picking up the tab. At my wife's job, they all got cut to 4 days per week. Those bankers get to borrow their money at zero interest. Me, I'm stuck with a mortgage at a high interest rate, yet my bailed out bank won't give me a refinance. Yeah, lets get rid of even MORE banking regulations so those poor rich folks can get even richer. When I was a kid, it only took one working adult to support a family. Now it takes two, and that is barely enough. Our welfare for the rich has funneled so much money uphill since "Reaganomics" started in the 80's, that their wealth has increased fivefold, while middle class income has remained essentially flat. But, of course, the wealthiest Americans need even more right now, in the form of extended tax cuts and a more generous estate tax. Damn the deficit! Let the rich get richer so they can continue to trickle down on us. Why should a single working mom be able to get food stamps when her wages aren't enough to pay a rent that's skyrocketed due to the mess the banking industry created through their greed? The lazy b*tch ought to feel terrible for taking money that could have gone into some rich kid's trust fund.

BTW, in 2009, the actual Welfare budget for Families and Children was $80 billion, or a humungous 2 percent of the total federal budget ($3,997.2 billion.) Federal subsidies for corporations, otherwise known as corporate welfare, ran about $100 billion. Corporate profits for 2010 are projected to be the highest in 60 years and last quarter was an all time record. Look it all up. Fact check my numbers.

"Regardless of skin color"- Not sure where you were going with that one. Sounds sort of racist, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

"Nothing but an entire culture of lazy good for nothing dead beats living off the sweat and hard work of the middle class"- Yeah, that about sums up my feelings towards our beloved bankers and corporate leaders too, not to mention the brainwashed right-wing Ditto-Heads who support them. It amazes me that ANY hard working American can buy into all this neo-conservative Fox News swill. Blame the poor. Blame minorities. Blame the unemployed. Blame the gays. Blame single moms and feminists. Blame the non-christians. Blame the powerless. Blame anybody but the REAL people who are destroying the middle class by constantly ripping us off, sending our jobs overseas, lining the pockets of politicians, then changing the rules to suit themselves and their bottom line.

"President Muslim Obama"- Get a clue. Show a little respect.

". . . every single liberal in America are now and in the future with every chance they get, trying to bring about the downfall of the American way of life."- Yeah right, that's what we're trying to do. Better get out before it's too late. Go somewhere where your vile intolerance, hatred, bigotry, and lack of general compassion might be better appreciated. We'd have done away with you already, but we're just too damn lazy. The truth is, we liberals have exactly the same number of votes as you conservatives: one. It's called democracy, btw, not socialism.

"I guarantee I have a cure . . . "- Don't worry about the Admin, I'm sure I'd love to hear how you plan to "cure" me. In Germany, they called it the "Final Solution." What do you call your plan?

To quote a famous man who probably didn't quite fit your anti-abolitionist profile of being a "proper" American: "Can't we all just get along?" Honestly, why don't we all just stick to aquaponics and save the political views and rhetoric for some other part of the blogosphere."

Okay. I'm done. I'm tired and depressed. Gonna go have some home-made hootch. Green Power to the Peeps.

Gary

[JCO]

I'll be glad to answer your rant when I find time for it, and I will.....until then...if you don't like what you read on this thread....no one is forcing you to read it.

True...this forum is about aquaponics...the Sump Thread however was created for what settles to the bottom....as in SUMP....nothing to do with aquaponics, but everyone is welcome to read and respond on it as long as they don't get personal. Up until your post....we were all doing just fine without trying to rip each other apart because of what we know or believe in.

I won't ask for an apology because I don't think you can see where you went wrong and that's the shame of it, however that's OK, I will survive. Apparently my skin is a little thicker than yours.

You truly need to re-read what your wrote. I know you didn't mean it as a joke, but some of it is actually hilarious while some parts of it I do agree with especially when you were making sounds like a conservative.

Maybe you need to slow down on the home-made hootch. I don't think it's good for your blood pressure. :mrgreen:

[badflash]

As Marget Thatcher so aptly said, "The problem with socialism is that they run out of other people's money". That is what I find offensive. The idea that my hard earned money should be taken to fund things that are counter productive.

Please explain why you think my property should be taken?

[JCO]

Like you, I just couldn't wait. Sorry Badflash....I just couldn't stand the pressure! I promise I'll try to do better in the future.

I, as the one who has been attacked here, let it all hang out when answering this post then I, the Admin, went back and remove a couple responses to the personal attacks that were answered in like fashion.
NO PERSONAL ATTACKS ARE ALLOWED ON THIS FORUM AND THAT GOES FOR ME TO!

Wow, where do I start. Been away for a week or so and come back to read this thread.

Grrrr. . . Why do conservatives always have to be so vitriolic? I get so tired of liberals being accused of not loving their country, or being somehow less patriotic than conservatives. People, America's enemies are not **OTHER** Americans. I come here to relax and to learn, and then have to put up with this kind of garbage.
Again I reiterate to you from a previous post…you do not have to expose yourself to this unless you choose to. The SUMP is what it is and will remain so.
What does any of this have to do with the President appearing on Mythbusters? I thought about not posting here at all, but some of this is just too much to let pass. Unfortunately, I only have about enough energy to address the most ridiculous post on this thread.


Ya'll know better....don't get me started. I've already lost one good posting member (a dyed in the wool Liberal through and through) because of my political views.

I remember when America was Americans for Americans not illegal aliens rights, Muslim sensitivity, gay rights, Christian haters, gun rights abolitionist, other people telling you how to raise your children and let's don't forget the humongous welfare bunch, regardless of skin color; nothing but an entire culture of lazy good for nothing dead beats living off the sweat and hard work of the middle class.

There is no doubt in my mind that President Muslim Obama and every single liberal in America are now and in the future with every chance they get, trying to bring about the downfall of the American way of life. Most of it is already been obliterated. I guarantee you I have a cure for them but the admin won't let me publish such ideas and language here

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JCO



JCO- Your rhetoric turns my stomach. "Americans for Americans." HIP HIP HOORAY. Get out yer flags, boys, and strike up the band!

Tell it to the Viet Nam Vets or those boys coming home these days or any other vet…YOU DAMN RIGHT IT’S AMERICANS FOR AMERICANS AND WE ALL DESERVE A HIP HIP HOORAY WITH FLAGS WAVING AND THE BAND PLAYING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM.

Well guess what? I'm an American too. And I'm a liberal. Haven't missed voting in an election since 1972.

A voting record doesn’t necessarily make you a real American but it’s a start.

Oh, and I'm an atheist too, not to mention an environmentalist. Wish I could say I was gay too, but unfortunately, that's not my gig.

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SOOO sorry for ruining "YOUR" country for you. Last I heard, America was a place for ALL people, not just the ones that meet with YOUR approval. Diversity, not intolerance, is what makes this country the best place on Earth. I'd wager that just as many Democrats have shed blood for this country over the years as Republicans.

Have you ever been on a battle field with an enemy that is trying to kill you? When under fire, you are not concerned with whether the guy on your should is Democrat or Republican just as long as he’s looking at the enemy and not licking his lips and looking at your ass!

Let's take your hate list one by one:

"Illegal Aliens"- Forget the fence. My cure for illegal aliens is to arrest and severely fine any American employers who hire them. Make examples of them. Confiscate their summer homes and yachts. Take away jobs from illegals and they'll all leave. Punish the greedy scum-bags willing to make a higher profit by paying substandard wages. Cure the disease and the symptoms will go away.

I agree with you 100% on your ideas about what should be done to the companies that employ them except all the illegals wouldn’t go home because they get government support for their anchor babies….welfare just like Democrat Reid and Polisi are trying to put in place now!

"Muslim Sensitivity"- I may be an atheist, but I still defend the right of anyone to believe as they wish, including you. Shouldn't we all be sensitive about the beliefs of others? Isn't that what a decent American should do?

Have you ever read the Koran? I have…more than once and it isn’t a religion…it’s Hitler’s play book in Arabic. Do you actually believer that Sharia Law should be allowed on American soil so those phonatics can stone people to death or kill them in any manner they choose because they became Christians or broke some other crazy rule of their play book?

"Gay Rights"- Gays are human too. Live and let live. Nobody deserves the type of treatment that most gays have had to endure in this country, especially the kids. You think it's a choice? Tell that to the ones who commit suicide once they realize their sexual preference. Any two people who can find love and comfort with each other should have the right to marry if they want. Won't have any effect on the rest of us, so where's the problem?

If you don’t think that allowing gays and lesbians to marry will have any effect on the American way of life…you really do have your head in the sand. Even animals don’t pair up in such a manner.

"Christian Haters"- No worse than Muslim haters,

True, Christians have done some terrible things in the past but not one Christian religious book or bible can compare with what is written in the Koran.

IMO. Fact is, religious people of all faiths do hateful things in the name of 'their' god. Hate doesn't care about faith. You obviously hate a lot of things. Did you learn that from the Bible, or is it just your nature?

Personal attacks don’t become you and actually have no place on this forum!

"Gun Rights"- Nothing wrong with guns, just some of the people who own them. I do resent feeling that I need to carry a firearm to protect myself from people who claim to have a "cure" for my way of thinking. The majority of Dems support the right to own guns. It's the amount of gun regulation that is up for debate.

Gun registration is the first move and it’s what Hitler did. If they are all registered, then when they decide to outlaw them all together as they did in England and Australia, they know exactly where they are. Take a look at some of the horror stories of what the confiscation of the guns have done to the people in those countries. Crime went through the ceiling and the innocent are persecuted for trying to protect themselves and the criminal are idolized by the media and coddled by the courts.

It's not anti-American to feel that certain kinds of weapons do not need to be made available to the general public. RPGs come to mind, for instance.

How many people do you actually know that has RPGs? I don’t remember even seeing them at gun shows and yes I do go and I do own guns.

"Abolitionists"?- Really? You're opposed to people who are against slavery? I hate to tell you, but the Civil War is over. The North won.

Shows you really weren’t paying attention or were so worked up you didn’t realize that I didn’t say anything about “ABOLITIONIST”. What I actually said was “gun rights abolitionist”. Quite a difference but if you think the Civil War is truly over, I invite you down to some of the Southern states for a visit, say Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina or even Florida. The “Stars and Bars” still flies like it or not.

"Other people telling you how to raise your children"- Damn right!

Do you realize that in the State of Florida it is against the law for a parent to raise their voice at their child? It is a misdemeanor and punishable by imprisonment. Do you really think that isn’t intrusion upon the rights of a parent?

It shouldn't be necessary, but some people evidently need to be reminded that it's not nice to assault their own children by whipping them, sexually abusing them, neglecting to feed them, etc. Not to mention making sure they get medical attention, get an education, aren't forced to work in sweatshops, and so on. You have a problem with that?

Actually I don’t have a problem with preventing such behavior toward children but in Florida we have the Department of Children and Families….a government run agency and on way too many occasions I have seen them remove a child from such situations only to return them and the child winding up either dead or so badly broken mentally and physically the state winds up having to support them the rest of their life. That’s your big Democratic government at work.

One case in particular comes to mind that happened not so long ago. A mother living on welfare had a two year old boy. She also had a live in boy friend which would have prevented her from receiving welfare had the government done their job properly and investigate it. The mother went to the store to get some baby food leaving the boy friend with the child and while she was gone, the baby started crying because he was hungry. The boyfriend began to beat the child trying to make him stop crying breaking several major bones in the process. It was reported to DCF and the government came and took the child away. No charges were brought against the boyfriend and eventually DCF gave the child back to the mother. Shortly the child was returned the same scenario repeated itself only this time in an effort to stop the child from crying, the boy friend held him up-side-down and bashed his head into the commode until the child stopped crying. He stopped because he was “DEAD”! Where was your wonderful child protecting officials then and why in hell did they ever give the child back to a mother who would allow the same man to ever come back into her home again….why…because the state didn’t want him.

"The humungous welfare bunch"- You must be talking about all those bankers who got bailed out with money taken right out of my pocket. I hear they're about to pay out a record $144 billion in bonuses this year.

What Muslim President and Democratic Party members bailed the banks out? That’s on your watch just like the bailout of the brokerage houses and auto industries. My business I worked 25 years to create sure wasn't too big to fail and no one bailed me out when I had to close my office because I couldn't continue to pay the bills to stay in business

All we got at the construction company where I work was a 10 percent pay cut for those who didn't get laid off. Oh, we lost our health insurance too. Guess if I get too sick, I'll have to hang out at the emergency room with all the other deadbeats and illegals. Hope you don't mind picking up the tab.

Give Obama a call…he’ll see to it you get your health insurance back pronto….I’ll pay for it out of my pocket. He’ll see to that also.

At my wife's job, they all got cut to 4 days per week. Those bankers get to borrow their money at zero interest. Me, I'm stuck with a mortgage at a high interest rate, yet my bailed out bank won't give me a refinance. Yeah, lets get rid of even MORE banking regulations so those poor rich folks can get even richer.

Let’s just get rid of the Federal Reserve and all the cronies that back it then we can start on Wall Street!

When I was a kid, it only took one working adult to support a family. Now it takes two, and that is barely enough.

One working adult, that must have been nice. I was raised on a farm in the 40s, 50s up to early 60s by my Grandparents when I was a kid. School (both Elementary and High School) got two vacations a year. One in the spring for planting and cultivating the crops (mainly cotton) during which time every man woman and child worked in the fields for meager wages to the tune of $.50 per hour from sun up till sundown seven day per week. I started working in the fields when I was about 3 or 4 years old so I know what it is all about and it wasn’t the life you had.

OH yes, and the other school vacation was in the fall of the year for the harvest. I stated picking cotton when a 50 lb potato sack would drag the ground from sun up till sun down seven day per week for 2 to 4 cents per pound. Do you have any idea what raw cotton directly out of the field weights? Then you put a sack full of cotton weighing up to 100 lbs on your shoulder and some times have to carry it ¼ mile just to weight it up then you have to empty it and go back for more.

I joined the Navy two weeks out of high school to get away from it. Where were you in ’62?

Our welfare for the rich has funneled so much money uphill since "Reaganomics" started in the 80's, that their wealth has increased fivefold, while middle class income has remained essentially flat. But, of course, the wealthiest Americans need even more right now, in the form of extended tax cuts and a more generous estate tax.

Damn the deficit!

Yea, full speed ahead. That seems to be what the Democrats have been saying for quite some time now!

Let the rich get richer so they can continue to trickle down on us. Why should a single working mom be able to get food stamps when her wages aren't enough to pay a rent that's skyrocketed due to the mess the banking industry created through their greed? The lazy b*tch ought to feel terrible for taking money that could have gone into some rich kid's trust fund.

What you have just described is the Socialism the Democrats have been pushing for years. Their goal is to have everyone on the tit of the government so they can control them!

BTW, in 2009, the actual Welfare budget for Families and Children was $80 billion, or a humungous 2 percent of the total federal budget ($3,997.2 billion.)

The problem with your previous statement is that it doesn’t cover all the monies handed out to the welfare bunch. Up until July of last year I had owned and operated my own accounting and tax preparation company for some 25 years. I started it by myself sitting in an office doing it all on paper…no computers back then. At one time, until I sold off four of the offices, I had five offices in Jacksonville, Fl. I had to close the last on in July of last year because of the Democratic economic mess. Do you know about the IRS rules about head of household and earned income credit? I do! Head of household means a parent either single (never married which covered most), separated or divorced with one or more children that has their own home. No one else living with them can claim this benefit but it is done all the time usually by the boy friend or another relative who claims one or two of the children. So often I have done taxes for these people that it makes me sick to think the government (Democrats) actually put this law in place under the pretense of helping the poor. It, like all welfare, is meant to control not help.

I had one female client with 5 kids who had never been married and worked as a stripper (I don’t see how…she was so ugly and fat. I don’t think she was actually employed anywhere). She knew just exactly how much she could clam she made in tips to be able to qualify for the most money back from head of household and earned income credit. She almost always walked away with a refund check for around 8 grand each year. Then her live in boyfriend would come in and claim some of the kids and walk away with another pile of money. Then you have those that come in claiming to have been taking care of someone else’s kid/s and they to claim head of household and earned income credit. I had one man actually get on the phone while he was sitting in front of me calling around trying to find someone who would let him claim their child so he could qualify. Initially reported them all to the IRS all it did for me was cost me business and the IRS never did any thing so I finally said hell with it. If I don’t do it they will just go elsewhere.

I’m quite sure the monies paid out to the welfare bunch in this manner doesn’t show up in your welfare figures but it is welfare just the same and it amounts to millions a year.

While I’m talking about the “WELFARE BUNCH”. Let’s clarify those that it is directed at. White, black, yellow, brown or purple….I don’t care. The welfare bunch are those that have never or rarely worked, whose parents have never or rarely worked, whose parents never or rarely worked. They have been raised and trained generation after generation just exactly how to work the system. The females rarely get married but do start having children at a very young age and they are taught just exactly how many kids they can have and still draw money for their self as a single parent and each child until that child is 18 or graduates from college which is rarely the case. Most times, though not all, none of the children have the same father. What a life….getting supported quite nicely sometime even to the tune of a new house in a lot of cases, subsidized rent and more and never have to work for any of it while laying up in bed making babies. What a deal.

Do you have a solution as to how to remove these useless individuals form the system and putting them to work doing the jobs the illegals are doing? I’m willing to listen and even back you if it is feasible.

Federal subsidies for corporations, otherwise known as corporate welfare, ran about $100 billion. Look it up.

"Regardless of skin color"- Not sure where you were going with that one. Sounds sort of racist, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

You don’t have to give me anything…White, black, yellow, brown or purple…I don’t care what color you are….earn your own way through life. I’ve never drawn welfare or unemployment in my life and no one has ever given me anything and my Grandparents weren’t rich either. I’ve earned every penny I have ever had so don’t even try to play the race card on me.

"Nothing but an entire culture of lazy good for nothing dead beats living off the sweat and hard work of the middle class"- Yeah, that about sums up my feelings towards our beloved bankers and corporate leaders too, not to mention the brainwashed right-wing Ditto-Heads who support them.

I think you mean LEFT WING DITTO HEADS since it was the Democrats that bailed them out.

It amazes me that ANY hard working American can buy into all this neo-conservative Fox News swill. Blame the poor. Blame minorities. Blame the unemployed. Blame the gays. Blame single moms and feminists. Blame the non-christians. Blame the powerless. Blame anybody but the REAL people who are destroying the middle class by constantly ripping us off, sending our jobs overseas, lining the pockets of politicians, then changing the rules to suit themselves and their bottom line.

There again I think you mean LEFT WING DITTO HEADS since it was the Democrats that bailed them out.


"President Muslim Obama"- Get a clue. Show a little respect.

I give respect where respect is due. Check it out, he was trained at a very young age in a Muslim school and those values and training you receive at a young age will usually guide you through the rest of your life especially when they are nurtured by George Soros.

I will be the first to say that Obama had a chance from day one to be the greatest president this country has ever seen if he would have had the best interest of the American people at heart instead of his Socialist Democratic agenda.

". . . every single liberal in America are now and in the future with every chance they get, trying to bring about the downfall of the American way of life."- Yeah right, that's what we're trying to do. Better get out before it's too late. Go somewhere where your vile intolerance, hatred, bigotry, and lack of general compassion might be better appreciated. We'd have done away with you already, but we're just too damn lazy. The truth is, we liberals have exactly the same number of votes as you conservatives: one. It's called democracy, btw, not socialism.

Actually America is not a democracy....look it up....it's a REPUBLIC....quite a different animal from a democracy but if the Democrats keep on the way they have been doing for years now, it will be a socialist country pretty soon.

"I guarantee I have a cure . . . "- Don't worry about the Admin, I'm sure I'd love to hear how you plan to "cure" me. In Germany, they called it the "Final Solution." What do you call your plan?

Impeachment, removal from office of all of them top to bottom and charge everyone of them with treason against the American People…the entire congress…both sides, the president and all his appointed cronies. There isn’t a member there that has not broken his oath of office to the American people….and as for the Admin of this site…I am the Admin….this is my website and Badflash and I along with some other very devoted individuals have worked very hard to build it and you are a guest here for as long as you treat everyone here the way you would expect to be treated

To quote a famous man who probably didn't quite fit your anti-abolitionist

Now once again let’s get it straight…it’s gun rights abolitionist. The Civil War is over you know and the North Won (but somebody needs to tell the South).

profile of being a "proper" American: "Can't we all just get along?" Honestly, why don't we all just stick to aquaponics and save the political views and rhetoric for some other part of the blogosphere."

Okay. I'm done. I'm tired and depressed. Gonna go have some home-made hootch. Green Power to the Peeps.

After the hootch…take two aspirins and call your doc in the morning.

Gary

[rfeiller]

the world bank(what a tyranical organization), wall street, fed reserve, capitalism at it's best. we are allowed to vote for the candidates that we are allowed to choose between. the candidates are already bought and paid for and we really think we have a say in the matter, remember the electorial college.

the agenda hasn't changed for at least a hundred years, it is right on track. we still argueably are the greatest nation on the planet, but don't blink, it's rapidly changing.

fear is the greatest motivator, look at how many of our freedoms have disapeared since 9/11. there have always been terrorist, but not the police state we have today.

objectives: complete food control, complete water control, limiting of travel/at least monitoring travel. a new one the ability to force the public to buy a product or be financially penalized by government through the IRS, with the med bill. what did polizi say, we have to pass it before we know what's in it? the authers of it know damn well what's in it. it is a powerful move for the gov to enforce more control on the people. oh, have you ever delt with the irs, guilty until proven innocent. you pay first and maybe years later you get restitution. in the mean time your name is blackened.

you can call yourself a liberal, progressive, independent, conservative, right wing, left wing, straight or gay it doesn't matter. all of the factions are crooked as hell. i consider myself an enviornmentalist also, but then look to al gore as an example of corruption, and he got the nobel prize for it. you got to love it! only in america. the republic for which it stands. this is my country, but it is being stolen from me and i want it back.

[gosmith]

Yikes, written in blood no less!

Fist of all, I will take to heart your statement about personal attacks. I found many of your remarks so offensive, that I will admit I may have taken them too personally. I meant what I said about your rhetoric turning my stomach and it honestly alarms me know that there are people who think this way. You apparently feel the same way about some of my statements. I hesitate to answer much of your last post as I have no wish to escalate this any farther than it's already gone and that will accomplish nothing. I'll give it a shot anyway, and we'll see where this goes. I'll try to keep my answers brief.

WE ALL DESERVE A HIP HIP HOORAY WITH FLAGS WAVING AND THE BAND PLAYING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM.

Yes you do. Thank you for your for your military service.

A voting record doesn’t necessarily make you a real American but it’s a start.

Thankfully, it's not up to you to decide who is or isn't a "real" American.

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Too bad. But maybe for the best. I will trust the judgment of the referees.

Have you ever been on a battle field with an enemy that is trying to kill you?

No, I haven't. I was a civilian flight instructor for the military at the end of the Vietnam era. Our job was to wash out wanna-be pilots in Cessnas before they were allowed into expensive military aircraft. I disagreed with the purpose of that war, and still do. Saddens me that so many Americans had to sacrifice their lives for no good reason.

the illegals wouldn’t go home because they get government support for their anchor babies….welfare just like Democrat Reid and Polisi are trying to put in place now!

Not the baby's fault that he was born here. I believe the "anchor baby" problem has been greatly overstated. I support the Dream Act too.

Have you ever read the Koran?

Nope, and I don't plan to. I have better things to do than waste my time on religion. Sharia Law does not take precedence over civil law in this country. Stoning people to death is murder, plain and simple.

If you don’t think that allowing gays and lesbians to marry will have any effect on the American way of life…you really do have your head in the sand. Even animals don’t pair up in such a manner.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

True, Christians have done some terrible things in the past but not one Christian religious book or bible can compare with what is written in the Koran.

Judaism, christianity, and islam are all derived from the same brutal background. They all promote violence, racism, and even genocide.

Gun registration is the first move and it’s what Hitler did. . .

Yeah, a lot of what Hitler did was bad. Guess I'm not as paranoid as you about gun registration. No one would ever dare try to take away all the guns in this country. Won't happen. Meantime, guns continue to kill many more innocent people than crooks. This is not a huge issue for me. I'd like to see some reasonable way to address the problem of irresponsible gun owners. Feeling safe in American society should not require a weapon. Talk about animal behavior.

How many people do you actually know that has RPGs?

Only one, years ago. He had some hand grenades and claymores too. Scary survivalist guy. Don't know where he got the stuff, but I bet it wasn't at a gun show.

. . . What I actually said was “gun rights abolitionist”. . .

You're right. My mistake to have mentally added a comma there. It did seem pretty weird to me.

Give Obama a call…he’ll see to it you get your health insurance back pronto….

Wish he'd hurry. I'd sure like to have the same coverage our elected officials awarded themselves.

….I’ll pay for it out of my pocket. He’ll see to that also.

Thanks.

Let’s just get rid of the Federal Reserve . . .

Be interesting to see what Ron Paul does in his new job, although he says he isn't planning on any big changes.

One working adult, that must have been nice. I was raised on a farm in the 40s, 50s up to early 60s by my Grandparents when I was a kid. . .

Not a fun life from the sounds of it. Now a days, it seems like only illegals are willing to work so hard. I saw an article about farmers complaining that they simply can't find enough legal citizens willing to do the work.

Where were you in ’62?

Let's see. In '62 I was nine years old. My mom, brother, and I lived in a rat-infested basement of a condemned building in San Francisco. My brother and I shined shoes after school to help put food on the table. Guess we all have our own hard luck stories to tell.

Yea, full speed ahead. That seems to be what the Democrats have been saying for quite some time now!

Excuse me. The Republicans have done their fair share of deficit spending too. How 'bout those 6000 earmarks they've just added to the current bill moving through congress? The fact is, we have to tighten our fiscal belt as a nation. That is neither a "liberal" or "conservative" cause, just a cold hard fact that we and our children have to face. Once we get our house in order, we can all sit around and argue about how to spend whatever tax dollars might still be available. I'm sure that some of the things that I might believe are important would not find approval with some of you more conservative types. That's a good thing. I won't like some of yours either. Checks and balances. We can all discuss it like grown-ups.

The problem with your previous statement is that it doesn’t cover all the monies handed out to the welfare bunch. . .

You're right, it doesn't. That was only the figures for Families and Children vs Corporate Subsidies. Look, we can sit around forever and cherry-pick stories about how various people, both rich and poor, have scammed and abused the system. Those people should all be caught and punished accordingly.

Do you have a solution as to how to remove these useless individuals form the system and putting them to work doing the jobs the illegals are doing? I’m willing to listen and even back you if it is feasible.

First off, I don't consider any human being to be useless. Brings up thoughts of Hitler once again. Secondly, I don't understand why you only seem to focus on the poor. There's plenty of schemers and scammers at every level of our society. Let's put a stop to all abuse. And lastly, I don't have any magic solution to fix any of the problems we face today as a nation. I only know that I can't recall a period in my lifetime when this country seemed as polarized as it is now.

You don’t have to give me anything…White, black, yellow, brown or purple…I don’t care what color you are….

Glad to hear it.

I’ve never drawn welfare or unemployment in my life . . .

Hope you don't plan on using any of that Medicare you're eligible for. . . Personally, I've never received welfare either, but have drawn on unemployment insurance a couple of times. Glad it was there. I paid into it for long enough. Looking forward to my Social Security in a few years. Be nice to get some money back.

I think you mean LEFT WING DITTO HEADS since it was the Democrats that bailed them out.

Plenty of Republicans signed off on it too, as I recall. Nice of them since they caused the problem in the first place. Look, there's plenty of blame to go around on both sides.

Actually America is not a democracy....look it up....it's a REPUBLIC....quite a different animal from a democracy but if the Democrats keep on the way they have been doing for years now, it will be a socialist country pretty soon.

Yes, we all learned in school about this being a republic. . . Socialism, huh? Thought you were worried about Fascism earlier. Sorry, supporting social causes is not the same as being a socialist. Putting scary labels onto people doesn't serve any purpose other than to marginalize their point of view. This feels like it could be a pivotal time in our nation's history, as well as the world in general. We're probably in the process of creating a new kind of "ism" that hasn't been defined yet.

Impeachment, removal from office of all of them top to bottom and charge everyone of them with treason against the American People…the entire congress…both sides, the president and all his appointed cronies.

Sounds like you're ready for a revolution. Hope calmer heads will prevail.

and as for the Admin of this site…I am the Admin….this is my website and Badflash and I along with some other very devoted individuals have worked very hard to build it and you are a guest here for as long as you treat everyone here the way you would expect to be treated.

I do appreciate the hard work it takes to keep a site like this going. I've learned a lot here, and hope to repay the education as time goes along. As the site owner, you certainly have the right to boot anyone you care too. You seem to have taken my post as a personal attack, yet that was not my intent. I responded only to what I perceived as inflammatory and insulting statements. I do not feel I went too far by any means, but I'll have to let others be the judge of that.

The Civil War is over you know and the North Won (but somebody needs to tell the South).

LOL

After the hootch…take two aspirins and call your doc in the morning.

Have to settle for just the aspirin. Can't afford the doc. My Obama Care won't kick in till 2014.

Peace,

Gary

[rfeiller]

One of my closes friends for almost 30 yrs and I almost never agree on anything. He is a dem, an athiest, could care less about the preservation of the world around us, etc. When we get together it's never dull!
You and I don't have to agree, but we will get to know each other better and maybe come away from the sump with a different perspective.

Take care have a wonderful day.
Rich

[gosmith]

Thanks Rich,

Appreciate the sentiment. The world would be a pretty dull place if we all agreed on everything.

Been following your greenhouse revamp thread, but don't think I've posted there. Nice work and very cool turtle. You're doing some interesting stuff that's a little different than the usual. Hope you got the bell syphon problem worked out. I'm anxious to try making some of those myself, but haven't got that far yet on my own project. Still have much to learn about AP, so everyone can expect some ignorant newbie questions down the line.

Not sure if anyone's interested, but here's a link to a poll result for the Obama support group, Organizing for America, that I belong too. The poll was taken the day after Obama cut the deal with the Republicans. Might be a good chuckle for all to see what topics us Muslim lovin' socialists think are important for our Prez to be working on. Man, I gave 'em an earful about my opinion of that "deal."

http://my.barackobama.com/YourFeedback

Gary

[rfeiller]

Forgot to mention, it was my contrary friend that got me interested in hydroponics. Yup, were don't agree on how that's done either! :-)

[keith_r]

see, thats the thing, everyone is going to look at things from their own perspective...

take the koran stuff.. most of it is the exact same as the bible! religions were good for early societal evolution (like evolution never happened and the earth is really 6000 yrs old) but hopefully will go the way of the dinosour.. just think, some day logic and truth will be evident..

and come on jco, don't tellme you're a birther too? muslim obamma? namecalling has never worked in a real "debate"

and thats my point,, there aren't any debates, only my side or the wrong side... it's polarization of the masses,,, which benefits who? as long as big business and the $ runs the gov, nothing will change. the big business funded "tea party" is a perfect example of it
we should be socially responsible, welfare reform has worked, it's necessary to provide services, and it's fair to have requirements to receive benefits (like mandatory drug testing, and job training). and it all really boils down to education.. until we educate the masses, they'll just be targets for the corporations

[rfeiller]

If truth were known we might find out that the really powerful are neither Republican or democrate. They have given us a couple of teams to fight for, so that we will feel that we have some say in the matter.
The game is not for us to be suckered in, but to be strong in what we believe in.

[JCO]

Gosmith,

Can't devote any time to your response at this time. I am studying for a College exam on Saturday and at age 67, it isn't as easy as it was when I was younger. After 3 heart attacks and surgery, my memory doesn't work as good as it use to but I will get back to you on it.

From a number of things you said that I do agree with, I don't actually think you are as far left as you first put on but I do think I have you on the run. :shock: :o :lol: :lol:

Myself, I am actually very easy to get along with but I am like the proverbial Tiger. In essence "you never poke Tiger when the cage door is open."

As for booting you off this site, unless you get completely out of hand, which I don't foresee, that will never happen. Everyone is entitled to their opinion here as long as it doesn't result in personal attacks on other members.

So pull up an easy chair, sit back, relax and enjoy the ride (don't forget the seat belt though....it could get a little bumpy from time to time) 8-)

By the way, the invitation that I extended to the others to become a contributor on my political website http://webnewsfeed.com also extends to you. So far no takers. What say you, could you put up with my fanaticism on the other side of the fence in order to work together to put ideas out there about what could work and be agreeable for both sides? :mrgreen:

[badflash]

I love free and open exchanges of viewpoints. You learn little from those you agree with. Just a reminder to keep it on the up & up. No personal attacks, just what you think about the concepts, not the posters.

What I find fascinating is that most people, liberal or conservative vote their wallets. If you are poor and stand to gain from government handouts, you vote liberal. If you are middle to upper income, you vote conservative to keep from being raped by the feds. If you are really rich and can afford good tax attorneys, you get liberal again because you can spend other people's money. MY father in law was a conservative until he retired. He then converted to liberal once Uncle's money started coming in.

We ave very close to a simplified tax code. "What do you make? Send it in."

[gosmith]

What bothers me most in this thread is the use of broad and offensive generalizations about the most powerless segment of our society, calling them "useless individuals," and "lazy good-for-nothing dead-beats," righteously vilifying them with a few carefully chosen examples of fraud, then blaming THEM all for all the economic woes of our nation which were, in fact, actually caused by run-away capitalistic greed.

This is how you marginalize people and downplay the need for any kind of assistance whatsoever. The vast majority of people receiving assistance do not fit the above profile.

There are plenty of honest and decent, hard-working Americans who will lose their homes today. There are single parents who have a full time minimum wage job (or two), who will have their heat turned off or are behind on the rent, waiting for an eviction notice. There are elderly folks who never had a 401K and are finding their SS checks no longer sufficient to make ends meet. These are not evil drug addicts or conniving illegals, these are your friends and neighbors, your relatives maybe.

There are also real American children who will go to bed hungry tonight. About 17 million of them, according to the stats. Some of them also need to be taken out of abusive households and placed into foster homes, yet there are simply not enough caring Americans signing up for the Foster Care program who are willing to open their homes to take them in. Fact is, the number of folks seeking Foster Parent licensing has actually decreased in the last ten years. Might be because the government reimbursement rates for foster parenting in most states is no longer adequate to cover the actual cost of providing routine care for the child. Foster Parents are expected to open their wallets as well as their homes.

My own wife works for a non-profit that houses and takes care of severely mentally challenged adults who have essentially been abandoned by their families. Some of them do have trust funds that help pay for some of their 24/7 care, but most are funded by your tax dollars. BTW, they've all just lost their dental and vision health care due to budget cutbacks.

But let's forget about all those worthless individuals, let's just talk about those unemployed deadbeats who would find a job tomorrow if you simply cut off their unemployment checks.

There are 17,984 listed jobs available in my state today, according to the official WA employment services site. That number probably doesn't include the occasional "help wanted" sign in a window, or jobs that may be filled by word of mouth before being listed, so let's be generous and double that number to 36,000. There are currently 324,300 folks here actively looking for work according to the same site. Our unemployment rate is slightly lower than the national average.

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In my rural neck of the woods, there are many displaced fishing and logging families who are having difficulty. Aside from unemployment, food stamps, and other types of public assistance, there are tax sponsored retraining programs at the local community college. Family farms and dairies had a tough time a while back, but are now being revitalized by the high demand for local produce, especially organically grown. The tax funded WSU ag extension facility here has been vital in this transition. Workers in these occupations tend to be fairly conservative and are proud to call themselves rednecks, (at least the fishermen and loggers.) Don't know how the heavy reliance on public assistance may have affected their politics.
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I could go on, but what's the point? Minds are already made up. Go ahead and label all of this as socialist drivel or some sort of liberal agenda to destroy the American way of life, if it makes your conscious feel any better. But please, at least have the decency in your blackened hearts to stop using such derogatory terms to describe persons who may be a little less fortunate than yourselves.

Look, continuing this thread will not serve any purpose, as far as I'm concerned. I will read whatever comments are yet to be made here, but choose to opt-out of any further participation. What I said in the first paragraph of this post is what really set me off in the first place, not any desire to have a liberal v conservative debate. I really do practice what I preach, take active steps to help feed the homeless, donate time and contribute a bit of my lower-middle-class income to charities. Frankly, I don't run into many conservatives out there on the front lines of this particular war, and I don't care for some of the labels that often get laid onto people who choose to blend a little compassion with their politics.

Sorry JCO, I don't wish to become a token liberal for your conservative soapbox blog. Don't want to even look at the site, which I assume is filled with the same colorful language you've chosen to use here.

Cheers,

Gary

[rfeiller]

Each of us have come to our own conclusion as to the evils in our country. Much of the time we are basing our stand on something we have heard on radio/tv or read in a publication.
There are two prominent radio stations in San Jose, 910(Rep), 960(dem) I switch back and forth to hear the opposing opinions and dramatizations of the facts.
I would love to see a blog that presented just the facts from both sides with no slamming by either side of the other. When emotion enters in there is no room for logic.

[JCO]

Gosmith,

I am one of those persons you speak of who lives on S/S to the tune of $1,150. per month before medicare ins. and my prescriptions come out. After that I have a little over $900. per month to live on. That's my only income since my business went under July of last year and I pay $119. per month for the server that host this site and my Web New Feed website out of that also. I do this because I believe in trying to give something back to this country by disciminating information that could be helpful in people surviving the mess that America is in. I do this by helping those that are willing to help themselves rather than expect the government to take car of them.

As for how many jobs are available where you are, I also am a State Certified Public Insurance Adjuster. I have a company that helps people receive fair treatment on their claims from insurance companies however when I had my heart attacks, I was no longer able to climb up on roofs or in low attics to do the job. When I got the word, I ran an add with the Florida Employment office for 5 positions as Apprentice Public Adjusters. It was a commission position but backed up by State of Florida statistics, the possible earnings of a first year Apprentice was between 65 and 85 thousand with the possibility of receiving a pay check within 45 days. Second year possible of 150 thousand....that meant by WORKING!

I interview 71 persons about 1/3 of whom were females of which 99% were not interested when they found out it was commission and they had to climb on a roof occasionally. The others were not physically able to climb stairs let alone a ladder.

The rest were mostly young men of which some 90% were on unemployment. Any rough idea how many people actually wanted to work and were willing to give up their unemployment to make that kind of money starting out? NONE, ZILCH, NADA and so on..! Why work if someone else will support you to to sit on your ass and do nothing? That company is now defunct also.

Oh yes, and to add to my expenses, I also have a 22 yr old son who still lives at home. He did get a job right out of High School in a retail movie swap, sell or trade store but lost his job after about 3 months because the manager, a young man of about 25, professed he was in love with my son and when my son told him to take it and stick it somewhere else, he was fired. Now every time he tries to get a job, his employment record has been labeled because the manager said he was against gays and he is still unemployed. GO GAYS. They harm no one!

And you were right on, I was looking for a token liberal such as yourself for my conservative soapbox blog. Someone who has wrapped his self in a flag of self righteous indignation toward me and those that do not believe as he does; someone that doesn't want to even look at my site because he chooses to assume it is filled with the same colorful language claimed to have been chosen to use here specifically to offend him when in fact he was the one who attacked me personally because of my beliefs rather than wishing to engage in any kind of debate about anything. So be it.

Out in the open and for all to see, I would prefer that from this post forward you direct all your future post toward the technology of Aquaponics under any other topic other than this one. Nothing personal, I just think it is the best move for the forum as a whole. Have a good life and good luck with your A/P project.

Sorry Badflash. Guess I never will learn to be as diplomatic as you. Send me a PM and drag me over the coals. :mrgreen:

[gosmith]

Hi JCO-

Let me add one final post here, if you'll permit me, and staying away from politics, since I know we will never see eye to eye in that arena. I'd prefer to do this publicly rather than in a PM.

Your site here has provided a wonderful learning tool for me. I like all of the regulars here and it has a nice small town feeling where you don't get lost in the crowd. I've spent many long hours here, reading through old threads, gleaning as much info as I can, to create a modest system of my own that might be worthy enough to put on display here.

When participating in a forum like this, it's often easy to forget that someone had to have the desire, and take the initiative and expense, to create it in the first place. Once that is done, it then takes the ongoing commitment and expense to keep it going. Considering the usual anonymity of the internet, I expect that keeping a forum alive is almost always a thankless task.

I would like extend a heartfelt ***THANK YOU*** for DIYaquaponics.com and for all the time and effort (and money) you have put into it.

I think it's awesome that, despite a heart attack, you not only manage to keep this place going, but your political site as well. Your mention of needing to study for a college exam made me realize that you must be a lifelong knowledge seeker as well, something that should be applauded in a day and age where learning seems to have become a dirty word.

Anyway, enough mushy stuff, you old curmudgeon. Thanks for having me and take care of yourself so this site can live forever. Be sure to let everyone know if the expenses are becoming too much. We're all spending way too much on booze anyway.

Best wishes and Happy Holidays,

Gary

*NOTE* Paypal donation box is on portal page.

[badflash]

Gary-
Some of us may not agree with your views, but we love you anyway! We can agree on the fish & plants and that is plenty in common.

[JCO]

Gary, I firmly believe that if we ever did meet eye to eye, we still wouldn't see "EYE TO EYE" but that's OK because between the two of us along with the other members of this forum could do a better job running American than what our elected officials do even with occasional disagreements. One reason I think that way is because we here on the forum are actually trying to help each other and everyone else who wishes assistance and information without taking anything away from anyone.

As for the work put into this site, Badflash can attest that it has been hacked at least twice (feels like it was actually 3 times, but I'm having a Jackalope senior moment) which took a lot of doing to get it back up and running. The first time, I was fairly new at it and lost everything because I didn't have backups. Second time we still lost some because the backups were not up to the moment.

We also had a terrible problem there for a while with spammers getting through until I did some reprogramming on the script and that pretty well stopped the most obvious but not every singe one. Now it seems they must have come up with some new programming of their own as I am getting more registrations from them recently than before and some still get through my defenses but they don't last long with Davidstcldfl, stucco and Jackalope on the prowl. :lol: :lol:

Thanks Gary for staying with the forum. It shows a lot about your character as a man. You will always be welcome here.

At this point I put it to a vote. All in favor of deleting this topic from the SUMP in it's entirety for the well being of the forum and so that new comers to the site are not exposed to to our darker side or Badflash, since this was you topic, I give you total authority to trim it in any manner you see fit without a vote. :shock: (It will also save space on the server for Jackalope's annual weather topic! :lol: :lol: :lol: ) Everyone interested has one week from today to cast their ballot...Badflash or majority rule. :mrgreen:

[rfeiller]

We can do without it. Glad things have smoothed out.

[jackalope]

badflash[/color]]If you are poor and stand to gain from government handouts, you vote liberal.

OK, I want to protest that statement. My family has always been poor, due to low paying Jobs, layoffs because of quotas for minorities/women/religion, we have taken advantage of unemployment, welfare, Social (in)Security, and/or other programs several times in the past 50+ years. These programs were set up as a back-up measure, NOT as a way of life. Now, we live on Social (in)Security, because there's no jobs in a town of 100+ that's 110 miles from the nearest large city. That doesn't mean that I'm a "Liberal." I believe that we are quite "conservative," as a matter of fact. I don't like to be pigeon-holed to one extreme or another - I've always voted conservative, regardless of the political party (I once voted with the Tea Party in Colorado in the '70's). If Henry Jackson or Warren Magnuson were alive today, and were still the "hawks" they were back then, I'd vote for them if I still lived in WA state. Just because a person is poor and takes advantage of 'gimme' programs doesn't mean that he is liberal, - sometimes you have to do things you don't like to survive when you have a family to support - you can still love your country, and at the same time decry the mess that both of these parties have got us into.

To me, there is no difference between Reps and Dems, it's just a difference in how fast they want to move to destroy the country. If you'll notice, Obummer has backpedaled on almost every one of his campaign promises, starting with 'transparency.' I don't think things would have been any better under McShame, because he's a Dem in a Rep's overcoat. Both 'parties' are equally to blame for the condition of this country!

The real Tea Party has been taken over by fakers like Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin, who are part of the same crowd that is destroying this country from within. The original modern Tea Party was an outgrowth of the Ron Paul revolution, but today's Tea Party shows very little resemblance to RP's revolution now.

As far as the 'birther' argument, what is is with non-'birthers' saying that the birth certificate has been posted. If that was so, why has Obummer spent so many hundreds of thousands of dollars to block any revelation of his original Birth Certificate (not a Certificate of Live Birth, which was handed out by Hawaii to anyone who was alive and breathing, but not necessarily born in Hawaii - doesn't tell the docs name or the hospital). Why does he hide all of his school, college and passport records which should be publicly available, but thanks to high-priced lawyers and a lot of legal shenanigans, they are safely tucked away from prying eyes. Keep in mind, that his grandmother (and other relatives) in Kenya have stated publicly that they were present at his birth in Kenya (if you're a parent or grandparent, that's something you don't forget or get confused about!).

All this means nothing in the grand scheme of things, we're all going down the golden path toward socialism, naziism, communism etc. and we're giving up all of our privacy rights to the hordes of Napolitano's TSA porno-scanners and molesters, and nothing is being done except talk, talk, talk!

No one has challenged the blanket immunity given to federal officials by the (un)Patriot(ic) Act which has stripped us of our Constitutional Rights completely, as well as the unconstitutional 'Executive Orders' that have been put in place by one president after another (The Constitution expressly appoints the Congress to make laws, not the Executive branch).

It's called Human Nature - once a person is given authority over others, eventually, he abuses that position of authority, and when you've only got 4 years to get things accomplished, you tend to work faster than normal ...... You can trace this attitude way back to the first President that made an 'Executive Order' who I think was George Washington! I think the first one to circumvent the Constitution and the Congress with the 'Executive Order' was Thomas Jefferson with the Lousiana Purchase. "I'll do what I want because I'm in charge here!" - Human Nature at it's best :!:

OK, so I've ranted enuff, I said I wasn't going to take part in this thread, I held off as long as I could! I'm gone!

[gosmith]

I think I figured out what the problem has been on this thread:

If you take two old Irish guys and put them in the same room together, you're either gonna get a horrible off-key rendition of "Danny Boy," or you're gonna get a brawl. Won't turn out any other way.

Wait, did I just use an ethnic slur against myself? :oops:

Gary

[badflash]

Jackalope, you saying you don't vote for liberals?
(gasoline on the fire :twisted: )

[JCO]

This is the joke thread, Right?

Which channel?


My wife and I were watching TV the other night.

I had the remote and was switching back and forth between a

fishing channel and the porn channel.
She became more and more annoyed and finally said:
"For Pete's sake! Leave it on the porn channel!
You already know how to fish!"

(more gasoline on the fire...I guess :shock: ) :mrgreen:

[stucco]

:lol:

[JCO]

Gary, I just checked my emails and was stunned. What you did was not necessary but truly shows the kind of man you really are. For the benefit of the forum, I thank you from the bottom of my heart.

A $25.00 DONATION FROM A "TRUE AMERICAN"

Maybe someday we will be big enough that we can get pissed when Bank of America, PayPal, Visa, Mastercard etc refuse to accept donations for us like they have for Wikileaks, but not for the same reasons of course.

Thanks again Gary. Whether we think alike or not, our hearts are in the right place, America all the way. Wish I were close enough to shake your hand. :mrgreen:

[gosmith]

Aw man, that was supposed to be kept secret. This place IS wikileaks!

[JCO]

Sorry Gary, I just couldn't let that lie dormant so i exposed it to the world for the good of the American Public. Eat that wikileaks! :shock: :o :mrgreen:

[gosmith]

DIYAP ==> Fishyleaks

[davidstcldfl]

:lol: