Interesting Quote

[jackalope]

Whilst searching thru the comments on a news article, I came across this quote:



“The? American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of ‘liberalism,’ they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.”


How True, then and now :!: :!:

[keith_r]

interesting, but probably false
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/socialism.asp

just another fear mongering tactic

[Aufin]

Yeah, well, just read Atlas Shrugged. I know......it's fiction, but ...........

[jackalope]

interesting, but probably false
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/socialism.asp

just another fear mongering tactic

OK, so it essentially came from another socialist, Upton Sinclair who was just a little more wordy :lol: :lol:

[badflash]

Too Late. The last election sealed the deal. Invest in guns and whiskey. Better yet, learn how to make both.

[keith_r]

do you really believe that?
is all science bunk?

atlas shrugged.. ha.. really? ..... really?

ok.. do you really know what you are reading, or where it's from? seriously?

social issues will never be addressed until facts are looked at.. and thats a fact

[jackalope]

Actually, I don't really have to find out who, or what source that kind of quote came from to know that it is true, all I have to do is look around and see what is happening to the country I served 50 years ago, a lot of changes - very few for the good - 'nuff said :!:

[Aloha Don]

Aquaponics or political website???
Let's all unite together through our addiction to AP.
There are other websites/blogs out there to address these other issues..
Just my opinion...

[hawkiye]

Snopes has no credibility they have been caught lying before... Just sayin.

[JCO]

I agree with that analogy of Snopes...caught too many times with their hand in the liberal cookie jar. :mrgreen:

[eddiemigue]

I hear ya Don, but this is the sump, and all goes here is my understanding.

Keith,

I have read many of your posts with interest and am struggling to retain hope as a former liberal. I can't say that I am a conservative, but I have lost all faith in government, and find myself agreeing more and more with folks that I used to consider right-wing nuts. I may be becoming overly cynical, but it seems that the utopic view that I once held - the hope of getting to a more enlightened, egalitarian society - is either way ahead of our current state of evolution as humans at best, or a hopelessly nieve position at worst.

All I see happening is a continually greater concentration of power and wealth, as has happened repeatedly throughout history. The game is rigged by big corp/ruling class, which chooses the candidates, who then further rig the game. Republican or Democrat seem to make no positive change, with the only difference being the rethoric used and which smoke and mirror tactics are employed to dup the populace into focusing on smaller issues, and each other.

[Roger L.]

As long as politicians are allowed to make a career of their service and reap the excessive benefits and exceptions to the laws they make, there will never be change for the good. Limit the amount of total terms one can serve and you will get a better set of public servant. Remove all perks and exceptions and millionaires will quit running for office. Only then will the normal citizen be represented and we will get some laws with common sense built in. There will be liberal, moderate and conservative laws passed and all this partizan bullsh*t will be no more. We will once again have a government we can be proud of.

[eddiemigue]

Amen Roger.

[keith_r]

i guess i'd be considered a liberal..
but the "conservatives" mandate has always been personal responsiblity.. at least up until the last few years..
the last 2 congress's (112th and 113th) have literally done less than any other congress to date.. (unless you count voting to repeal "obamacare" 40 times - which is really a mandate for personal responsiblity, originally written by republicans.. most state's have laws that say you can't drive a car without insurance.. )
but the main thing is.. that as long as faux news and msnbc, and rush, hannity et al.. continue to try to sow discontent, the american people won't notice that all of the wealth is being redistributed to the wealthy since "deregulation" started by the republicans..
if you don't want to look at facts, that's fine..but when you realize you are a serf to big industry, maybe you'll have a change of heart... because when corporations became citizens, we became screwed

[Roger L.]

Regardless of point of view, liberal, moderate or conservative, they all have valid views on differing issues. It is not corporations who are supposed to be running government. It is unfortunate that greed is prevalent throughout our government and our representatives are using their positions to become richer millionaires, of which 80% are. Fire them all and start over.

[JCO]

When do we start roger :?: :mrgreen:

[Roger L.]

NOW! Vote out an incumbent next election.

[Aufin]

i guess i'd be considered a liberal.. but the "conservatives" mandate has always been personal responsiblity.. at least up until the last few years.

Still is to both Conservatives and Libertarians.


the last 2 congress's (112th and 113th) have literally done less than any other congress to date.


And who gets the blame for that? The Senate has not offered a budget (which is Constitutionally mandated, BTW) for 5 years!! They've constantly turned down anything coming out of the House of Reps.

Pelosi and Reid have done nothing but stonewall. Oh yeah ....forgot .... it's Bush's fault,


(unless you count voting to repeal "obamacare" 40 times - which is really a mandate for personal responsibility, originally written by republicans..

I've gotta call BS on this. Guess no one remembers Pelosi "we have to pass it to see what's in it".


most state's have laws that say you can't drive a car without insurance..

not a good analogy ...... one doesn't HAVE to drive a car, so no insurance HAS to be bought.


but the main thing is.. that as long as faux news and msnbc, and rush, hannity et al.. continue to try to sow discontent,

"SOW DISCONTENT"??!! Really? Since when is telling the truth "sowing discontent"? Oh, I get it ...... I should be "content" with everything this admin is doing. Well, I"m NOT, not in the least bit am I "content".

I'm not "content" with the unconstitutional Czars, the way O's using executive orders to get around congress, the monstrous intrusion into everyone's private lives ObamaCare is bringing, Benghasi, IRS, NSA, $100 million trips while at the same time talking about cutting the military's pay, subsidizing 75% of the O'Care cost to congressmen and their overpaid staffers, and on and on.

And, I'm not "content" with our gutless Rep congressmen, either. Seems not one of them has the cojones to stand up and say "that's unconstitutional". You want true discontent sowers .... look to Sharpton, Jackson, even Obama.


the american people won't notice that all of the wealth is being redistributed to the wealthy since "deregulation" started by the republicans..

Ummmm ... I think that's called capitalism and market forces. I'm not all that crazy about all the money being held offshore by the big companies, either, but I can understand some of their reasoning. I'd probably be doing the same if I were in their position until Big Govt. stopped trying to micromanage everything, got a reasonable tax system in place, and reworked the "entitlement" programs implemented in the past 5 years.

This administration has never presented any sort of stability businesses could count on. "Hope and Change" is nothing more than mouthwash and fairy dust.

Until there is an overall feeling of true stability, America is going to continue to plod along. This country has done just fine without every little thing done by businesses being micromanaged by beaurocrats who have no business experience.

Outside of our present "educational" system, there isn't one thing in life that's "fair" .... get over it.


if you don't want to look at facts, that's fine.. but when you realize you are a serf to big industry, maybe you'll have a change of heart... because when corporations became citizens, we became screwed

Hope I got it right...admin

[Roger L.]

The corruption and partizan bickering has been prevalent for a lot longer than 2 years.

[keith_r]

i guess i'd be considered a liberal.. but the "conservatives" mandate has always been personal responsiblity.. at least up until the last few years.. Still is to both Conservatives and Libertarians. the last 2 congress's (112th and 113th) have literally done less than any other congress to date.. And who gets the blame for that? The Senate has not offered a budget (which is Constitutionally mandated, BTW) for 5 years!! They've constantly turned down anything coming out of the House of Reps. Pelosi and Reid have done nothing but stonewall. Oh yeah ....forgot .... it's Bush's fault.(unless you count voting to repeal "obamacare" 40 times - which is really a mandate for personal responsiblity, originally written by republicans.. I've gotta call BS on this. Guess noone remembers Pelosi "we have to pass it to see what's in it". most state's have laws that say you can't drive a car without insurance.. not a good analogy ...... one doesn't HAVE to drive a car, so no insurance HAS to be bought. )but the main thing is.. that as long as faux news and msnbc, and rush, hannity et al.. continue to try to sow discontent, "SOW DISCONTENT"??!! Really? Since when is telling the truth "sowing discontent"? Oh, I get it ...... I should be "content" with everything this admin is doing. Well, I"m NOT, not in the least bit am I "content". I'm not "content" with the unconstitutional Czars, the way O's using executive orders to get around congress, the monsterous intrusion into everyone's private lives ObamaCare is bringing, Benghasi, IRS, NSA, $100 million trips while at the same time talking about cutting the military's pay, subsidising 75% of the O'Care cost to congressmen [i]and[i] their overpaid staffers, and on and on. And, I'm not "content" with our gutless Rep congressmen, either. Seems not one of them has the cojones to stand up and say "that's unconstitutional". You want true discontent sowers .... look to Sharpton, Jackson, even Obama. the american people won't notice that all of the wealth is being redistributed to the wealthy since "deregulation" started by the republicans.. Ummmm ... I think that's called capitalism and market forces. I'm not all that crazy about all the money being held offshore by the big companies, either, but I can understand some of their reasoning. I'd probably be doing the same if I were in their position until Big Govt. stopped trying to micromanage everythng, got a reasonable tax system in place, and reworked the "entitlement" programs implemented in the past 5 years. This administration has never presented any sort of stability businesses could count on. "Hope and Change" is nothing more than mouthwash and fairy dust. Until thre is an overall feeling of true stability, America is going to continue to plod along. This country has done just fine without every little thing done by businesses being micromanaged by beaurocrats who have no business experience. Outside of our present "educational" system, there isn't one thing in life that's "fair" .... get over it.
if you don't want to look at facts, that's fine..but when you realize you are a serf to big industry, maybe you'll have a change of heart... because when corporations became citizens, we became screwed
it's difficult to address your comments..
next time, try to address them
do you understand how the budget works, or just think you do..;
The federal budget doesn’t get enacted the way other laws do. The process starts with the president submitting his budget request to Congress early in the year. That voluminous document is partly a presidential wish list, but it also gives Congress a framework.
"The ‘PresBud,’ as it is called, forms the basis of the fiscal year budget that starts the following October," according to this post from the nonpartisan Taxpayers for Common Sense.
In Congress, the House and Senate have budget committees tasked with creating concurrent budget resolutions, using the president’s budget as a guide. As Taxpayers for Common Sense wrote, "The legislation they draft is for Congressional use only: it doesn't go to the President, it isn't law, it just helps Congress keep its budgetary ducks in a row."

The president doesn’t "pass" a budget. That’s Congress’ job.

In Obama’s case, he has submitted his budget request each year he has been in office.

go ahead and "call bs", but try providing facts.. the heritage foundation originally came up with the healthcare law, but when obama was for it, they became againts it

insurance: auto insurance is personal responsibility.. everyone has health, so they should have healthcare

again, i can provide facts about lies in the media.. and what is the point of the lies? buy from them.. where are your facts?

The republicans are the writers of the laws that allow the nsa to "spy" on all of us

it's not called capatilism or market force when it's not the people driving it.. try again

i never said anything about business being micromanaged, i think they should be regulated...

i never said anything about fair either.. try finding some truth in your life

[JCO]

Remember this is a discussion board...just a word in advance...keep it civil :mrgreen: