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Eleven11
04-12-2012, 09:03 PM
Does anyone know of any AP'ers using a Bedini motor in their backup power system?

Jeff
04-13-2012, 02:41 PM
Oh wow, that looks pretty cool! If you attempt something like this, you HAVE to document it for us!

davidstcldfl
04-13-2012, 03:24 PM
Yeah, what Jeff said.... :)
Sure would like to hear how it works out...'?'

urbanfarmer
04-13-2012, 03:57 PM
This free energy stuff is interesting. Make something the fish can pedal and we'll be all set! :-)

Eleven11
04-13-2012, 04:28 PM
I built a single coil SSG a few years back. It took a long time to charge a car battery. There is a solid state version that would be more compact and easier to work with. I'll let you how it works out.

Here's a few pics of the first one.
[attachment=1:3d71m8ab]M2 rotor motion.JPG[/attachment:3d71m8ab]

[attachment=0:3d71m8ab]RE spikes 7.JPG[/attachment:3d71m8ab]

Jeff
04-15-2012, 02:00 PM
Ever since you started this thread, I've been reading nonstop about Bedini motors. It's scares me, because the last time I was this consumed over something was when I started on aquaponics! However, I have no background in electronics engineering, so this is more of a learning curve.

That being said, I think the idea is fascinating. If you had a battery bank that ran your aquaponics system, you can just run the Bedini on it with a 12v charging battery......once that battery is getting low, swap it out with one of the charged batteries from the bank. I think that's how it works. What does "solid state" mean? Is that where it would just radiate energy without spinning the wheel, like reaching some kind of constant state where the bedini coil is charging the battery without having to be powered by the initial charging battery anymore?

urbanfarmer
04-15-2012, 03:25 PM
My science in this area is weak too, but these devices violate one of the basic laws of thermodynamics. The US patent office will never patent one because for over a 100 years they have refused to patent perpetual motion machines.

In my feeble understanding of this area of science, it seems to be that the device is gaining voltage and current from an effect called induction. Since we know the voltage and power are low, it is safe to assume the effect is due to the kinetic energy creating more induction by the constant fluctuation of the magnetic fields from the magnets. Also, I would surmise that the magnets are slowly losing charge as well (albeit at a very slow rate).

I would love to be proved wrong. I have never played with these "nonsense devices" because they seem like nonsense a child would play with. It's like a magic trick. It looks like one thing, but it's really another (in other words you put enough energy into it that converted from electrical to kinetic and is slowly converting back to electrical, in my view the magnets would be viewed as batteries in this circuit and maybe the Earth depending on the total effect).

Said another way, the NEW WORLD ORDER is trying to distract you from REAL ALTERNATIVE ENERGY SOURCES. They know you know something is up; so, they want you to believe these toys truly create "free energy" and you will eventually push to have them used on a larger scale, but the scientists that understand this stuff know it doesn't work and that the average citizen is too uneducated to realize this and it will NEVER come to pass because IT DOESN'T WORK. What a great conspiracy theory! :lol:

HOWEVER, if it really does work (because even if we view the magnets and Earth's magnetic field as batteries in the circuit) then we should definitely figure out how to make a solid state device out of it. It might be the size of a house at first just to power a cell phone, but I'm sure we can figure out how to make it smaller. :ugeek:


I'M NOT SAYING IT WAS ALIENS... BUT IT WAS ALIENS!

urbanfarmer
04-15-2012, 03:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghhgUmGBjX8 <-- awesome
http://www.ted.com/talks/steven_cowley_ ... uture.html (http://www.ted.com/talks/steven_cowley_fusion_is_energy_s_future.html)
http://www.ted.com/talks/eric_giler_dem ... icity.html (http://www.ted.com/talks/eric_giler_demos_wireless_electricity.html)
http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_sears_ ... f_oil.html (http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_sears_planning_for_the_end_of_oil.html)

Eleven11
04-15-2012, 03:50 PM
Yep, solid state would be without the wheel which would allow you to set the frequency higher.

The Bedini Motor is suppose to take advantage of longitudinal electric waves similar to what Tesla was working with when he was building his wireless power transmitter at Wardencliffe. Longitudinal electric waves have no propagation delay like transverse electric waves that are used today.

Here's a good lab documentary that gives a good explanation:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 0445596549 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-721789270445596549)

urbanfarmer
04-15-2012, 04:17 PM
Hm, you are saying words I don't understand :-)

I have planned for a long time now to brush up on my calculus, ac/dc electric concepts, and so on... but, I haven't; so, this is beyond me. I took them as part of the engineering school requirement for my undergrad, but that was a LONG TIME AGO! :lol: :lol: :lol:

One of the TED talks I posted demonstrated a device that may be used for something like this, but to make this work the coils have to be tuned to the Earth's magnetic fields (if such a thing can be done). The tuning requires precision, none of which I have seen in any of these DIY videos for creating this device.

Anyway, who knows.

Thanks for the video, I will make some popcorn! :lol:

P.S. DO YOU REALIZE THE VIDEO YOU SENT ME HAS SPOCK AS THE HOST. IS THIS SCI FI? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Eleven11
04-15-2012, 04:26 PM
Longitudinal electric waves rule and yes, for wireless transmission of power, Tesla tuned his transmitter to Schumann resonance.

That's actually a young Sarek (Spock's Dad)... live long and prosper.

Eleven11
04-15-2012, 04:31 PM
Longitudinal electric waves... the companion video...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 0757457294 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-721789270445596549#docid=-6461713170757457294)

urbanfarmer
04-15-2012, 05:20 PM
Thank you I will check it out!

keith_r
04-16-2012, 05:31 AM
hey uf...i have to stop channel surfing whenever i see that guy in your avatar.. he's great!

David - WI
04-16-2012, 07:10 AM
Has anyone ever seen a single case where one of these Bedini motors actually worked?

Eleven11
04-16-2012, 07:15 AM
I have.

David - WI
04-16-2012, 07:20 AM
You've seen one actually lift or pump or move something; or just spin around under no load?

Eleven11
04-16-2012, 10:27 AM
I've seen it do what is suppose to do which is energize batteries using Tesla's longitudinal electric waves or what they call "radiant energy".



Bedini has patented several motor generator devices including the Monopole Energizer and the SSG. The two machines are similar, but have minor differences. However, the function of both is to charge a capacitor or battery. The name Bedini Motor Generator is used generically, sometimes referring to the inventor’s first motor and sometimes used to refer to all of his motors.

I'm just looking at an alternative to charging my back up batteries.

David - WI
04-16-2012, 10:46 AM
But you've seen it actually charge a battery without draining another battery to do it?

Jeff
04-16-2012, 01:43 PM
See, I don't have any problems or misconceptions about what it can and cannot do. I have no issue with draining a battery to charge another. The point (from my limited research) is that the amount it drains is NOT EQUAL to the amount of energy it generates. So you can slowly drain a battery to run the motor, but the output from the motor can charge a large BANK of batteries.

In other words, it's not a one-to-one ratio, or else what would the point be? This motor will take one battery, and fully charge a bunch of batteries from that one. When that one battery needs to be charged, you can just swap it into the battery bank, and pull one of the newly charged ones to keep the motor going.

If this were truly perpetual energy, then the source battery wouldn't be needed and nothing would drain.....but who cares! If I can take a battery and use it to charge a larger bank of batteries, then all I need to do is swap out the drained battery for one of the charged ones and keep the process going. The fact that the small energy used to power the motor is tiny in comparison to the output that the magnetic motor gives out is what's intriguing to me.

I have ZERO background with Electronic Engineering, but since this was reproduced by a school girl (hence the name of the SSG circuit), then I think I could take a stab at it.

Eleven11
04-16-2012, 06:23 PM
It does take power from the source battery to pulse the primary of the bifiler coil. The secondary battery is charged by the secondary winding in the coil. I didn't take down any data of the COP though.


But you've seen it actually charge a battery without draining another battery to do it?

David - WI
04-16-2012, 06:29 PM
But nobody, including Bedini, has ever shown a battery actually get charged by this thing? With 400,000 google hits for Bedini motor you would think that (if it was real) somebody would actually have been able to make one work. :roll:

keith_r
04-16-2012, 06:37 PM
But nobody, including Bedini, has ever shown a battery actually get charged by this thing? With 400,000 google hits for Bedini motor you would think that (if it was real) somebody would actually have been able to make one work. :roll:
ding ding ding

we have a winner
:o

Eleven11
04-16-2012, 06:46 PM
Well I just did a search myself and here is a charge test right here...

http://www.rexresearch.com/bedini/bedini.htm#battest



BATTERY TEST FOR THE BEDINI MOTOR GENERATOR
(Unidentified internet source)

DATE : OCTOBER 13, 2000

BATTERY TEST SEQUENCE:

One lead acid gel-cell (12 volts, 450 milliamps) is being utilized as the primary source fully charged at 12.5 volts

Three (3) lead acid gel-cell batteries (12 volt, 450 milliamps) strapped in parallel are being used as the charge destination. The batteries are discharged to 10 volts for the test purposes.

Test #1 starts at 10:45 AM utilizing primary battery fully charged at 12.5 volts charging three (3) destination batteries paralleled. The destination batteries reach a charge capacity of 14 volts at 11:20 AM.

The destination batteries are then discharged to 10 volts under working load to prepare for Test #2.

Test #2 starts at 11:25 AM utilizing primary battery measured at 11.5 volts. Charging three (3) destination batteries paralleled. The destination batteries reach a charge capacity of 14 volts at 12:50 PM.

The destination batteries are then discharged to 10 volts under working load to prepare for Test #3.

Test #3 starts at 1:00 PM utilizing primary battery measured at 10.5 volts. Charging three (3) destination batteries paralleled. The destination batteries reach a charge capacity of 14 volts at 1:40 PM.

The destination batteries are then discharged to 10 volts under working load to prepare for Test #4.

Test #4 starts at 2:05 PM utilizing primary battery measured at 9.5 volts. Charging three (3) destination batteries paralleled. The destination batteries reach a charge capacity of 13 volts at 2:40 PM. The primary battery is now discharged to 9 volts under working load and unable to further run the Bedini motor generator.

TOTAL BATTERIES CHARGED:

12 lead acid gel-cell batteries (12 volts, 450 milliamps each). This ratio is a 12 to 1 charging factor. The motor operation (work) being performed as this was done is not included as an additional factor in this test.

Eleven11
04-16-2012, 07:08 PM
I just did another search on Youtube and found a demo of a Bedini Motor charging a battery.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVa2s93SouU

Eleven11
04-16-2012, 07:16 PM
There are a bunch of videos on Youtube showing batteries being charged...

Here's more...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qofqi9dMqwE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGiL8eHeeUs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_S7xrO- ... el&list=UL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_S7xrO-EHs&feature=channel&list=UL)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqEzv-rM ... el&list=UL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqEzv-rMbl4&feature=channel&list=UL)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fYHzJeKgTg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=en ... s78cEEeLCA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=Fs78cEEeLCA)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL-ZR2Ne7yc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry8-g2Kl0UY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s18_kZBIOp0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zM-yLIMLTA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Taun3WGKLSA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJEpsGalYLA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RugNE6VxjE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TzFkdF4neE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnUExdEhP6Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqmYi7_a4GM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EncFCUU9YY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rauOlhNK0iY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8193PD3dT40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzdKFHcvq1M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSgAz3yVV2c

bsfman
04-16-2012, 07:25 PM
TOTAL BATTERIES CHARGED:

12 lead acid gel-cell batteries (12 volts, 450 milliamps each). This ratio is a 12 to 1 charging factor. The motor operation (work) being performed as this was done is not included as an additional factor in this test.

Sorry Eleven11, but color me completely skeptical of these "unidentified internet source" test results. Perpetual Motion and overunity devices are contrary to the laws of physics. You can't get more energy out of a system than you put into it. This test supposedly happened in year 2000. If these results were real, the ENTIRE WORLD would have converted in the ensuing 12 years to Bedini motors since energy would be essentially free. In just ten iterations, Bedinis could charge nearly 62 BILLION batteries all off an original single 12 volt?

1 (original)
12
144
1,728
20,736
248,832
2,985,984
35,831,808
429,981,696
5,159,780,352
61,917,364,224

That's 124 volts constant power running continuously 24/7 for each and every of the 6 billion men, women and children on the entire earth all off an original 12 vold battery? Nope. Color me skeptical.

David - WI
04-16-2012, 07:32 PM
Yeah, they're always "being charged" but there's never, ever, a fully charged battery when they're done. Bedini never even produces a "charged" battery... and neither did the school girl.

I'm not looking to start a fight. But, did you ever produce or see anybody produce a fully "charged" battery using one of these things?

Eleven11
04-16-2012, 07:37 PM
Well yeah, I charged a few different batteries to full capacity, (even overcharge them) plus it's right here in the charge test...

Test #1 starts at 10:45 AM utilizing primary battery fully charged at 12.5 volts charging three (3) destination batteries paralleled. The destination batteries reach a charge capacity of 14 volts at 11:20 AM.

The destination batteries are then discharged to 10 volts under working load to prepare for Test #2.

Test #2 starts at 11:25 AM utilizing primary battery measured at 11.5 volts. Charging three (3) destination batteries paralleled. The destination batteries reach a charge capacity of 14 volts at 12:50 PM.

The destination batteries are then discharged to 10 volts under working load to prepare for Test #3.

Test #3 starts at 1:00 PM utilizing primary battery measured at 10.5 volts. Charging three (3) destination batteries paralleled. The destination batteries reach a charge capacity of 14 volts at 1:40 PM.

The destination batteries are then discharged to 10 volts under working load to prepare for Test #4.

Test #4 starts at 2:05 PM utilizing primary battery measured at 9.5 volts. Charging three (3) destination batteries paralleled. The destination batteries reach a charge capacity of 13 volts at 2:40 PM. The primary battery is now discharged to 9 volts under working load and unable to further run the Bedini motor generator.

Eleven11
04-16-2012, 07:47 PM
At 3:40 in this video, you can even see the voltage of the Drive battery is lower than the voltage on the charging battery.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVa2s93SouU

David - WI
04-16-2012, 08:15 PM
Well yeah, I charged a few different batteries to full capacity, (even overcharge them) plus it's right here in the charge test...
That's good enough for me; I don't believe a word of what comes off Bedini's web posts... but if you've actually done it then there's no reason for me to doubt that it works.

Eleven11
04-16-2012, 08:25 PM
If I disconnected the charging battery for a split second, the voltage would spike. I saw it jump as high as 90 volts and it would easily arc and pop. I put a neon bulb across the emitter and collector of the output transistor to protect it when experimenting with disconnecting the charging battery like that.

It would instantly charge a 250 volt Non-polarized capacitor.

wstoltenberg
04-17-2012, 11:57 AM
I'm no Electrical engineer, but I know enough of physics to be highly skeptical. Unfortunately, the focus in these posts refers to voltage. I can completely see how an 11v source could charge 3 (or a million) destination batteries to 14v. I have no problem with that.

But that's not power. That's potential. It's like saying you can take a below-ground swimming pool as the source and 3 water glasses (sitting above ground) as the destination. It's totally possible with that scenario to build a mechanical device that will result in filling the glasses with no external energy source. The solution would be to use the potential energy in the pool itself (weight of the water due to gravity), and by lowering that mass, harvest enough energy to raise a fraction of that mass into the 3 glasses. BUT due to frictional losses, you would have to take more energy from lowering the swimming pool mass than you would gain by lifting some of that water into the 3 glasses. The net result of that experiment would be a loss of energy.

In that example, the water level is your voltage.

Now, in the "unidentified internet source", it's claimed that all of the batteries are of equal capacity. This is the most likely source of inaccuracies in the story and is what I'd first want to see proof of. Preferably by draining the battery to do useful work to demonstrate that they actually held the purported energy - and a full set of measurements along the way to demonstrate the current and voltage at regular intervals. (and of course, a better measurement to indicate how much power they held to start with :) )

I do not doubt that the device changes the voltage. But I bet if you were to measure power (voltage x current) at every point you'd reveal the truth about what's really happening in that system.

Eleven11
04-17-2012, 12:16 PM
Good points. I'm sure there are more charging tests out there. This one came up first in my search though.

One of the first things that I did with mine was to hook it up to a car battery that would no longer start the car. I left it on all night and in the morning, it did start the car. I thought I might have even rejuvenated it but after while it wouldn't start the car again.

urbanfarmer
04-17-2012, 03:06 PM
TOTAL BATTERIES CHARGED:

12 lead acid gel-cell batteries (12 volts, 450 milliamps each). This ratio is a 12 to 1 charging factor. The motor operation (work) being performed as this was done is not included as an additional factor in this test.

Sorry Eleven11, but color me completely skeptical of these "unidentified internet source" test results. Perpetual Motion and overunity devices are contrary to the laws of physics. You can't get more energy out of a system than you put into it. This test supposedly happened in year 2000. If these results were real, the ENTIRE WORLD would have converted in the ensuing 12 years to Bedini motors since energy would be essentially free. In just ten iterations, Bedinis could charge nearly 62 BILLION batteries all off an original single 12 volt?

1 (original)
12
144
1,728
20,736
248,832
2,985,984
35,831,808
429,981,696
5,159,780,352
61,917,364,224

That's 124 volts constant power running continuously 24/7 for each and every of the 6 billion men, women and children on the entire earth all off an original 12 vold battery? Nope. Color me skeptical.
Good sir:

I would like to commend you on your use of mathematics.

Good day,

UF

Eleven11
04-17-2012, 07:33 PM
A few more videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA2KtZ45nXA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHh5AqQ4_xw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mKOL0JGUxw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi7cmUpMdX8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9ARja0DiT0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnHDRjO7BGE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSGnZPZpR_I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJySgeSpJpQ

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p ... OGjLDU2lX8 (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=45FBDDAB0F0642B7&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&v=mOGjLDU2lX8)

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p ... hUSGB0dbK8 (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=45FBDDAB0F0642B7&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&v=2hUSGB0dbK8)

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p ... i7cmUpMdX8 (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=45FBDDAB0F0642B7&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&v=yi7cmUpMdX8)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlO8UDsc-Fc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oapvf7wVtw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDS9qk-Nw4M

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p ... 9ARja0DiT0 (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=BFDE1E217BCB7D90&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&v=g9ARja0DiT0)

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p ... 2ZKDytQKnM (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=BFDE1E217BCB7D90&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&v=N2ZKDytQKnM)

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p ... JySgeSpJpQ (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=BFDE1E217BCB7D90&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&v=zJySgeSpJpQ)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVa2s93SouU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oXRhyulQ9c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-Mi90gEdSE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJillOTsmrM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn2aZchRReo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG4nU1cimZ4&feature=fvsr

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU5qZqImOVM&feature=fvsr

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfdcwjqKebQ&feature=fvsr

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayHOXmRDGuo&feature=fvsr

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CUz00uVuhE&feature=fvsr

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOGjLDU2lX8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy9nIg6kBWQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPet3K6Ujb4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67QJOn39FqU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpGJvN08GsU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lpWJpLj2ZM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6qEZZ165i0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDtXR_1Ubs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f69vjd8Pjs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbWR8Y999cM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YN6h2Qgv0o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qofqi9dMqwE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RsFMyZbj1I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGVvdfdHs_g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U20V7Kh_kc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU_-1Q0QGwQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P1zr58MVfI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwbz_YAAnRo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2a0YFGdRBM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrN1lG274k4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDXM23NDarQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pK5kVHjYoU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gazAa7XBp6w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCIjIMDsGVs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qImkQg2CupI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-4-K94Dsb4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2gvjzyFG5Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTZfyQlPWug

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_E39pmoFN4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsobVuzUSiE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce1wiMfEnpM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSc-dPSl3Uc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSYxBwjrGv4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hUSGB0dbK8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDm3s0Jvl0k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsKlUV-MkPE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb2-ka6T3Zk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qImkQg2CupI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V354l__dfps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U20V7Kh_kc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuTrmgTpQkE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTG2U8e6Mdo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfb2gYm-_YM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwbz_YAAnRo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQBCwks5P_I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNHRe6xy0QQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W9DLQuYV10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZitkVFG6Qj8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RugNE6VxjE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hWBihg_Oi8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXWAQ3zTZNw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD5_dORsmcI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg4QlVjOnvQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwSUh8A5UIM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0r9x8cBOrI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUdrEhFxOM0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTjglYb9H3A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glBlOTDxn44

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVJF4iDUBvk

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXALKcR1ORM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGprVym7abM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiLm3urmLXM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jplGJ_cH6pQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ej11pclxWw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFDREWe4niE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcsYhbA74VM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiLm3urmLXM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcYAMloddZU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oeSebSLWq0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXSOLcQlOew

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuVtKYfSDI8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y62-5aSiKo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=appORnbTIrc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3XjBXIgmxY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfIOE5YXQRs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSRBbyqBrUg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avvX4yAyS1s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHXt5mwcvl0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdtcoJEtDqQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYfAzIytEJ8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVpqAVhgNAo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-fETLsRiJg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oclt8RXJBFg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajtYT-40nZM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FG3alMA6vU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt8Ut2maA8M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhdvLNvE5RY

urbanfarmer
04-17-2012, 07:38 PM
Just a few. :lol:

Eleven11
04-18-2012, 01:44 PM
I never did try to charge multiple batteries but did exchange some info with someone who did...


As far as charging 4 battery's with one, I have done this with a set of garden tractor battery's that had been extensively conditioned by cycle charging and discharging them 25+ times with a wheel SG cap pulser circuit back in 2006 with one of my early circuits, that i gave to a friend to test on his batteries

it can be done, but it takes some patients to super charge the Battery's to the point that they will do it

one of the others things that the energizers do, is shorten the charge time by 20 to 30%, and the 4 hour standing Voltage is over 13.V where a fully charged standard DC charge is 12.6V to 12.7V.

I have seen Energizer charged batteries run the load at 13V+ for an hour before going below 13V and another 4 hours to get below 12.9V, show me any other DC charger or desulfator that can do that......

RS_

rutan
07-22-2013, 06:30 PM
Halo,

just got on board.

If it's used to charge batteries then it's no free energy at all because there is a cost for maintaining/replacing the batteries. Not much different with solar power actually. With regards to free energy devices which can be found on the net. You'll be lucky if you'd be at the right place at the right time to receive any info from the web, once a real free energy device is posted. Fact is when it's been there too long then there is little or nothing we can get from it. Reason; free energy is suppressed and the suppressors have control of almost every mainstreams including the internet.

Just an opinion.

rutan
07-22-2013, 06:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krEVMHieTuI

A friend has a similar device that can be found on the link. He used it to charge a battery that powers his PC perpetually.

I figured that a good and cheap solar panel will be better as there is virtually no maintenance except the batteries. In this set up you also have to maintain the alternators and motors.

15mules
07-23-2013, 04:23 PM
Eleven11 I watched all those videos you had in that list, still not 100% you got any more! :lol: :lol:

Seriously, while I find it very interesting, it just seems like a lot of time and effort for a small return. But I guess if electronic gadgetry is something you enjoy, then it would be fun to experiment with. Good Luck with your project 11.

JCO
07-25-2013, 12:58 AM
Ever make a battery out of a potato...we did in science class when I was in High School back when kids actually learned something in school. It worked until one of the class clowns (not me) screwed something up and cooked the potato literally. :mrgreen:

Roger L.
07-25-2013, 08:18 AM
Crossed wires equals burnt potato.

JCO
07-25-2013, 08:49 AM
Yes, that was the guys name who screwed up the experiment :mrgreen:

aerwyk
07-26-2013, 12:30 PM
The Bedini motors actually work and they do not break the laws of conservation of energy. You would need a bit of physics background (second year physics major) to fully understand the theory.

That being said, just build the device(s) EXACTLY (and I do mean exactly) as John has laid out. If you do so, they will work as claimed. If you would like to know more, go to john's website (http://johnbedini.net/ OR http://free-energy.ws/john-bedini.html) - he lays it all out in terms almost anyone with a high school education can understand. Both websites are absolutely fascinating.

There are a number of physicists who have proven through math (outageously advanced math) that John Bedini knows what he is doing. It's a fascinating field even if you know little about the field of physics.

Regards to all

Aerwyk

David - WI
07-26-2013, 01:03 PM
The first person to build one that worked would be a multi-billionaire... yet here you sit trolling on internet forums instead of working on your masterpiece. What's up with that?

aerwyk
07-26-2013, 03:27 PM
FIRST OFF!!! Yes, I'm shouting. At 75 years of age, I have precious time to waste in trolling or any like activities.

I'm also building a substantially sized aquaponics system on 30 acres of fine land with a river(small) here in Panama. I happened across this site and like anyone else interested in the topic, I joined. I know a lot, a helluva lot. But, when it's compared to what I could know, it's not much at all.

I read all the posts. Many of you do not understand the principles involved. Many of you have little or no experience in the field of zero point energy. It is not a perpetual motion type of thing many of you have heard about. Having some experience in that field and with my extensive knowledge in electronics, I offered the results of my knowledge and experience in this field.

After your post, I'm not sure I'm on the right site. You could have enquired as to my bona fides either directly in a post or pm me.

Aerwyk

aerwyk
07-26-2013, 03:38 PM
Re: my previous post has an error.

I should have written "I have precious little time to waste in trolling or any like activities.

Sorry for the error.

Aerwyk

Roger L.
07-26-2013, 06:53 PM
I have been most intrigued with your post about the Bedini motor, also saw it in another post. I am going to procure parts to build one and build my own. From that point I will be able to form my own opinion. We all have our opinions, don't be offended by a differing one, research, investigate, then reach your own conclusion and agree or agree to disagree. Sticky notes were the invention of tne 3M company out of a failed experiment to create a super glue. Go figure.

rutan
07-27-2013, 03:01 AM
The Bedini process repeatedly produces a negative resistor inside a battery or other energy storage device for free, or nearly so. Once the negative resistor is momentarily established, the energy leaps from the vacuum onto the battery, which are charged with excess energy. The battery is recharged and the load is powered simultaneously.

A typical system approach is to power the system from one battery, while a second battery or group of them is on “charge” from the negative resistor process. Then the powering battery is switched and the load powered from another one, so that the original battery can be charged very rapidly.

Iteration keeps all batteries charged while continuing to fully power the load. A typical DC output may be converted into standard AC in an ordinary DC-to-AC converter, e.g. to power one’s home. The Bedini process will give birth to very different, decentralized electrical power systems taking their electrical energy directly from the local active vacuum.

Although I am a free energy enthusiast, a self proclaimed inventor, I never really give serious thought on Bedini's or other systems except Tesla's systems.

I copied the above from Bedini's site and confirmed my previous post.
My question, again, How much will it cost to maintain the batteries?
Anyway have fun with your projects, sincerely, But don't expect to get free energy.
If people starts using Bedini's system I wouldn't be surprised if prices of batteries skyrocketed.

JCO
07-27-2013, 08:16 AM
After your post, I'm not sure I'm on the right site. You could have enquired as to my bona fides either directly in a post or pm me.

aerwyk, You are definitely on the right site and do not be upset because someone didn't agree with you. I've been doing Aquaponics for 46 years and I am continuously called on my thinking and experience. :?

As long as the posts are civil, a heated discussion is the best kind as it brings everyone into the fray. 8-)

Come on back and prove your point. :mrgreen:

Roger L.
07-27-2013, 08:50 AM
Nothing in life is free, including energy. The best we can hope for is less expensive and/or an ability to survive when the normal supply is interrupted. I think several means of electrical support is the way to go. That way you will have 24 hour ability to produce enough power to survive.

aerwyk
07-27-2013, 03:17 PM
I wonder if we should start a new thread... I'm comfortable with this one. Perhaps a moderator will chime in with an appropriate opinion.

The battery will last indefinitely IF you don't overdo it. You can actually overboil the battery. Although, if you check the temperature of the electrolyte it will be at room temperature or lower. It's best that you read most carefully what John has to say about it. Also, check the writings of his partner and mentor Tom Bearden.

I really do feel uncomfortable writing about Bedini material on this thread,
. I am fascinated by it all,, but I don't want to wear out my welcome, even though it says Bedini Motor and backup power

You can pm me if you like (see my profile), but if there are others who are interested, I would like to see that they get any benefit that might accrue from our discussions. I have an awful lot of easily understood things to send your way. I have no pecuniary interest in any of it.

Regards and keep the fish comfortable,

Aerwyk

JCO
07-27-2013, 04:19 PM
I guess you could consider me a Moderator since I own the web site. You are quite welcome to start a new thread and call it whatever you like. This forum is always open to new thinking :mrgreen:

rutan
07-28-2013, 06:29 PM
A simple reminder to make stay in the forums more pleasantly.

Whatever we do whatever we say we cannot be entirely correct but rather correct and wrong at the same time.

This is a simple fact that almost all of us knew but rather forget almost always.

Tesla invented wireless transmission of power to give the world free energy but morgan said he was wrong because there is no place to put the meter
The Christ was crucified because according to some people he was wrong.

rutan
07-28-2013, 06:44 PM
On another forum a member computed the cost of solar power in terms of the cost of replacing the batteries and determined it to be approx. the same that of the grid power, not including the initial cost of putting up the system.

I would love to see a battery that last forever if that is what is meant by "indefinitely.

JCO
07-28-2013, 08:42 PM
I agree entirely. rutan, where do you live. Please go to your profile and put in your location. There may be other members close by. :mrgreen: